Endless Migration Episode #2: Life’s Short GetDucks Ramsey Russell

“I’m your host, Jake Terry. I’m excited to bring you this podcast today. Our goal is to bring value to the community and tell those stories that will both educate and entertain.”,

Jake Terry: Welcome to the Endless Migration podcast where we discuss all things waterfowl. Join us as we bring you stories and culture from every flyway as we celebrate the waterfowl community and the organizations that support that community. These are your stories. All right, thanks for tuning into this episode of the endless migration podcast. I’m your host, Jake Terry. I’m excited to bring you this podcast today. Our goal is to bring value to the community and tell those stories that will both educate and entertain. As always, I hope that you’ll visit our website at endlessmigrationhunt.com and also check us out on Facebook and Instagram to stay up on the latest content. Also after listening to the podcast, we would love to hear your thoughts and feedback. You can leave us a review on iTunes and you’re always welcome to shoot me an email at jake.terry@northwoodscollective.com. First, I want to take a moment to recognize the brands that helped power the endless migration platform and we will be bringing you plenty more information on these brands and others in the future. This week’s episode is brought to you by Eukanuba dog food. Out in the field, how you’ve prepared determines, how you’ll perform with balanced fat and protein to support peak condition. Eukanuba premium performance dog food enhances strength, energy and endurance. So when the pavement ends and the truck doors finally swing open, you and your dogs are ready for anything strong, focused, ready for anything. That’s the Eukanuba dog. This week’s episode is brought to you by Garmin. Build a better dog with devices for tracking and training from obedience to hunting, get exactly what you need to make life with your hunting buddy that much better. Explore their products at Garmin.com. This week’s episode also brought to you by Hevi-Shot. Hevi-Shot’s new Hevi-X is deadlier at a distance, tungsten based waterfowl load. Hevi-X gives you 40% more knockdown power at 40 yards. Higher knockdown range velocity and more consistent patterns than steel. Hevi-X shot shells remind you of the performance of the original Hevi-Shot at a price you can afford. Learn more at Hevi-shot.com. This week’s podcast is also brought to you by Flambeau outdoors. The gunning series decoy puts back into the modern decoy, the hand carved originality of a rounded bottom with the paramount features that have become absent in the evolution of the decoy designs over the years. The gunning style kill, the low profile kill in combination with a design that makes the decoy ride the water like a live duck. Check out the gunning series at flambeauoutdoors.com. This week on the podcast, I’m joined by Ramsey Russell of getducks.com. Ramsey has travelled to and hunted some of the most legendary wetlands in the world and harvested over 100 species of waterfowl. Ramsey is one of the most passionate water fowler’s I have ever had the pleasure to meet. It’s easy to get lost in his stories and his outlook on waterfowl hunting and life for that matter is very refreshing. So without further ado, enjoy the interview and here we go, thanks. Hey Ramsey, I appreciate you joining us on the podcast today. We’ve got Ramsey Russell from Get Ducks. How are you sir?

Ramsey Russell: Terry, I’m doing good. How about yourself?

Jake Terry: I’m doing well. I appreciate that, I know you’re busy and traveling and I appreciate you spending a little bit of time with us and I won’t waste your time, we’ll get right onto it. But for folks that don’t know what get ducks is and what you do. I would like for you to explain that a little bit to everybody.

“I had wanted to go to Canada to shoot geese and I was really interested in those little Cackler geese at the time. We don’t shoot geese to speak of back home here in Mississippi. And I booked a trip and you couldn’t make up.”

Ramsey Russell: Terry, the most conventional word for getducks.com is booking agent. I despise that word, I despise that description though because booking agent can be a very dirty word. There are people like any business and any – take outfitting and ducks for example, but any business at all, they’re just people that don’t belong in it for people that see something in it for what it’s not. They do it at a part time endeavor, they don’t pay attention to it. But my wife and I nearly 20 years ago on accident I should say stumbled upon this concept of booking. I had wanted to go to Canada to shoot geese and I was really interested in those little Cackler geese at the time. We don’t shoot geese to speak of back home here in Mississippi. And I booked a trip and you couldn’t make up. It was like a funny Hollywood movie of just what a disaster that hunt turned out to be. And I had worked hard. I had saved my money. I knew I had an upcoming family and I went on this trip expecting one thing and received something totally different. There was supposed to be 8 people in camp. There were over 20. I’ll say it this way, an inebriated Native American guide showed up on day one at 08:30 in the morning to take us hunting everybody in camp was gone at 06:00. And that was kind of how that hunt started and finished. And I said there’s got to be a better way of doing it. And I started to get out and research my next hunt. I went to Alberta hunt with a guy named Jeff Clause now out of business, he retired and moved on and I said, there’s got to be a better way of doing. And I put a lot of time and thought into research and this hunt myself. I went up there with some friends, we had a great time. The following year we went with more people joined us and by the 3^rd year so many people were going with this outfitter, the outfitter pulled me aside and said Ramsey, I would like to make a proposal that you be my booking agent. And I’m like, great, what the heck is booking agent? I’m a forester for the federal government. And he explained, hey just help prepare some people. He explained that at that point that the clients that were showing up that I had referred to him were bringing what they needed to bring, were prepared, his guide staff wanted to guide those people. They knew what to do, they knew how to hunt, they had packed right, knew how to tip and he said, I would just like you to continue doing what you’re doing. And even then I never dreamed that it would turn into something but it did. Shortly thereafter some years later. So when getducks.com started, we were booking in Alberta Canada and I was doing some habitat work on the side because I’m a biologist and forester by training. And a few years later I fell in with somebody, another “booking agent” and I started doing some Argentina hunts and there were some things going on with that particular package. The way it was packaged, the way it was structured was very dubious, very nefarious. And I said this is wrong. This is not a good – you’re bringing no value to anybody and doing it this way, you’re just taking advantage of something. And I decided that if I were going to be involved with this, it needed to be more respectable, it need to be more honorable. So we went down to Argentina and we began to scout, we began to assemble hunts and if those you all listening are familiar with a “booking agent” that’s not really what we are. We arrange hunt, we organize every aspect of that trip from choosing the right hunt to organizing and properly preparing the client. It costs money to do guided hunts anywhere in the world and money is money, but time is money too. And time is really one of the most limiting factors and that’s where people rely on us. It’s a day and age totally different than when I grew up. I’m 53 years old, it’s a day and age that anybody can find anything on the internet. But as we all learned sooner or later, anybody can be anything on the internet. And that’s the distinction and I have been there personally. And most of the instances internationally, especially when you cross us borders – Argentina and Mexico are our 2 foremost destinations, we absolutely kill it down there. Because it’s a long way to go for anything less than the best. And I truly believe that the hunting operations that we represent are the best after now 20 years of talking the duck hunters like anybody listening and talking to outfitters on a daily basis 365 days a year, all day for 20 years and as a genuine American duck hunter myself, I feel like I know what clients expect for the money they pay and we’ve actually gone in for the last 10 years, 15 years now that we’ve been in business. We’ve just kind of can the whole way of being a “booking agent” doing business to where when we find an outfit that we like, that we believe has the potential, we actually go in and negotiate customizing or polishing the program to reconcile what we know or we believe that true American duck hunters want it to be and outfitters are willing to work within that. And that’s where we follow up with clients before during and after the trip and we continue to deposit. So in many ways I’ll say this yes, you can find for example an already painted duck hunt online, no you can’t find ours online. Ours are customized programs that are available through us, my wife and I at getducks.com have cultivated these hunts. We work with the clients on every aspect of preparing them for success on this travel. I can’t control airlines but I’m a phone call away, if your flight gets delayed we can help get you back on track what to pack, what to do, how to act blah-blah. And the outfitter focuses strictly on delivering a superior experience. And I’ll say this last thing and I’m bad about – look Terry, I’m bad about talking too much but it’s what I do for a living.

Jake Terry: Yeah, no problem.

Ramsey Russell: I’ll say this last thing whether you’re going to America or going to Argentina, no matter where you’re traveling to hunt or how you’re traveling to hunt preparation is everything. Anticipation and expectations are everything. And we do everything humanly possible to control the controllable. It’s a migratory bird but my brand distinction when I look at a lot of other people that are doing what I’m doing and I don’t mean part timers or whatever. The schemers that are trying to take your money to send to a duck hunt, I mean the guys that are full time in the travel business like we’re doing, what I saw years ago was them kind of pitching to the Grey Poupon type hunter. The “discriminating hunter”. You know what I’m not a one percenter duck hunter. I’m a regular guy that’s raising kids and paying bills and I love to duck hunt, I love to duck hunter abroad and I love everything the duck hunting brings, but I’m a real duck hunter. And what we seek worldwide is not this expensive over the top one percenter type hunting experience, we seek real duck hunting experiences for serious duck hunters. I want to put you in a superior shooting condition with an authentic experience and that’s our brand, that’s what we do, that’s what we saw that real duck hunters, true duck hunters, no matter how much money they got it with the background is that’s what they want. They want a great duck hunt, authentic hunting experience, they don’t want to be wined and dined. So when we have these types call us and their first line of questioning and I’m talking to Argentina or Mexico or one of these expensive hunts, well their first line of questioning has everything to do with the lodge and wine list and the amenities, I quickly remind them, hey, if you’re looking for it to be for the pampered 4 seasons experience, if that’s what you’re shopping for, call somebody else. If you want to shoot ducks and immerse yourself in the culture and come back saying I have seen Argentina and I’ve done the best hunt call me, that’s what we do. And it’s not just – don’t think just Argentina. We hunt, we deliver duck hunts unprecedented, we deliver duck hunts on 6 continents, but the United States has the richest and most longstanding waterfowl hunting traditions. When you go to other countries at best, it’s a good mimic or a good impression of American type duck hunting. We American duck hunters are the best duck hunters. We have elevated all aspects of duck hunting, the guns, the ammo, the camo, the boats, the equipment, the decoys, everything, every aspect of it, we’ve elevated the art form. And a man really could spend his time hunting coast to coast North to South, just in America and probably never do it all. In terms of species in terms of hunting types, hunting styles, local hunting traditions were very blessed in that respect. And so about 7 or 8 years ago we began formalizing relationships with good credible duck hunting guides in the United States. And while there’s no guarantee in duck hunting that you’re going – just because you drive 8 hours and go somewhere nobody has a crystal ball, nobody can guarantee limits. But what we believe in working with these people that we know first-hand is that they would deliver their best and that’s all a man can ask and duck guide because that guide do his best to work hard to produce a quality experience.

“Right. I love that talk about the expectations because I can’t imagine traveling that far for a trip because I’ve never done it, but just loading the truck up and going to the next state or the next flyway expectations and hopes are so high and it’s driving to that hunt, whether you’re just going across state or a few hours or what, as a duck hunter you’ve got those high hopes and high expectations.”

Jake Terry: Right. I love that talk about the expectations because I can’t imagine traveling that far for a trip because I’ve never done it, but just loading the truck up and going to the next state or the next flyway expectations and hopes are so high and it’s driving to that hunt, whether you’re just going across state or a few hours or what, as a duck hunter you’ve got those high hopes and high expectations. And so to know that’s number one on your mind when guys are traveling across – not only across the country but to other continents in other countries, that’s big and make sure those guys are feeling at home. That’s pretty cool but one thing I want to talk about go ahead –

Ramsey Russell: Expectations are everything. And the very frustrating thing about working and to deliver duck hunts and duck hunting experiences is, it’s not like selling light bulbs. Everybody in the world that by the light bulb expects the same thing of that light bulb, light on light off, that’s very predictable response. Duck hunting is a very subjective experience. You’ve got the young guys and I forget being young, but I see them in social me today, they are all about building egos, sense of accomplishment and competitiveness and then you’ve got old guys like myself that are a little more comfortable with just quality hunting experiences that it’s a whole range of emotions and expectations, but expectations are everything. In fact when we were Children, we all look forward to Christmas. Biggest day of the year of Christmas morning and no matter what was under the Christmas tree to me it was always just a little bit of a let-down, not because of what I got or what I didn’t get, it was over because – and if I look back to childhood thinking about Christmas morning, it was the build-up, Santa Claus is coming and all this good stuff and the Christmas tree and the Christmas carols and it’s the whole pageantry of here comes Christmas. And as an adult, we live adult lives, we pay mortgages, we’ve got barking dogs and yelling wives and mean bosses and I know from having been there and I know from having talked to my client that I just imagine, here’s a guy at work midway through his work week it’s a grind and the phone’s ringing and he catches just a few minutes and he sets down his pen, he takes off his glasses and he thinks in 3 weeks I’ll be in Argentina shooting ducks, in 2 weeks I’ll be in Argentina shooting duck, next week I’m going to shoot ducks, it’s the whole lead in. And duck hunting stays the same, now I tell people real quick the good old days are now. If you want a guaranteed duck hunt and you want to go shoot the fire out of duck, the kind of stuff that you’ve always dreamed of calling me, let’s talk about Argentina, but you better have a big check book.

Jake Terry: Right.

Ramsey Russell: But at the end of the day for me now, it’s not about numbers, it’s not about just the trigger pulling part of it, it’s the art and science of – and it’s the magic of duck hunting. Wild ducks, wild places, new species put it all together that’s to me what does for me being with friends and you’ll hear me say, anybody listen to the podcast, we do that paid attention to some of the Life’s Short Get Ducks film series we’re putting out after all these years of duck hunting and get ducks, the people. That’s what’s so important to me. It’s like when my son was in high school fixing to graduate high school, we’ve been duck hunting together since he was 6 or 7 years old. He became one of my favorite hunting partners both my boys did. But I just realized that at home in the truck in between football games, whatever. We didn’t have the level of conversation that we did when it was just me and him sitting in a duck blind, we’re waiting on more ducks to show up. It was in those lulls between the valley, that real life happened, that we were able to communicate and talk about things. And that to me is an equally good part of duck hunting as just pulling the trigger holding up dead ducks, the people part.

Jake Terry: Definitely. One thing I want to talk about is you mentioned it earlier about one guy from just in the US from East to West and North and South could probably spend his whole life just hunting that. But I want to kind of shrink down and talk about some of the different US flyways and kind of the differences and different challenges hunters may face in different flyways and whether that’s a guy starting out or that’s a guy just wanting to start to travel out of his home state for the first time and is there more opportunity in certain flyways? Is there great opportunities and in each flyway and kind of talk about that a little bit.

“I’m happy to be in a blind till 11:00 if that’s what it takes, be patient. Put your homework in, scout, place your decoys right in the first time, call right, watch the ducks learn to call.

Ramsey Russell: I think each flyway is unique unto itself. There’s a little overlap, there’s mallards for example, in all flyways. There are some species more predominant to some flyaway than other, it’s more than just flyway’s, its habitats. If you want to shoot Eiders you got to get into salt water, if you want to shoot Brant you have got to hunt salt water adjacent to land. I mean, there’s a whole different bunch of factors to go into it, but I’ll sum it up this way, speaking to the younger audience, speaking to the older audiences want to stretch their wings and hunt new frontiers, to me, it all boils down to the fundamentals of duck hunting. Just imagine you’re a little boy, learning play baseball with your dad. You are in the backyard, you’re pitching, hitting your grounders, fundamentals of throwing the ball and hitting the ball, just the boil baseball down to just 8 year old fundamentals of baseball. Well, just imagine later that kid becomes pro baseball player. Well, it’s a whole another level of baseball, whole another skill set up there with the gods. But at some level all boils down to the fundamentals. Therefore whether I’m hunting duck hunting in Mississippi on a piece of family land, a little back 40 or I’m 2 flyways over, 5 states over chasing new species and a new habitat, if I respect the fundamentals and stick to the fundamentals calling, shooting, concealment, decoy placement, the hardboard fundamentals will serve me well anywhere in the United States, anywhere in the world that I go. It all boiled down to fundamentals. And what I encourage everybody to do is, you don’t have to be a world champion duck caller to call ducks. In fact, some of the lousiest duck call sound I have ever heard were from live calling ducks in Netherlands. All ducks sound differently, that different cadences, different number of notes, different pitches in a mallard call they all sound different. But when to call, how to call, where not to call, how those birds are going to work into the wind, how they’re going to decoy, where they’re going to land, where they’re going to set up, what I’m going to do, when I’m going to do it, it’s very fundamental to shoot any species of duck in any flyway. So if you’re just starting off a duck hunt, it’s all about the fundamentals. Forget the shortcuts, forget the magic bullets, forget – the latest greatest camo, the latest greatest ammo, the latest greatest most expensive duck call is not going to put ducks on your strap, sticking to the fundamentals, perfecting the fundamentals is how you put ducks on the strap. And I’ll tell you something, I’m going to add to that line-up, especially this day and age, is persistence and patience. The best mallard hunting where I hunt is not at the crack of dawn or we’re back at the house ate breakfast at 7 o’clock. Mallards started to show up in our areas where we hunt, where I hunt, we might get a flurry of ducks include some hours early. But it’s later in the morning 08:39 mallard start to work in. You got to be patient, you’ve got to be persistent, you’ve got to be willing to adapt and you got to be willing to expand those fundamentals into differentness. You see what I’m saying, that’s a very important part. And I see a lot in young people today. I see a lot in my own sons, because my sons are in their early 20’s, I’m in my 50s we’re in different stages, different phases of duck hunters. They’re very good callers, they know how to hunt. But there anticipation of a great hunt. The timeline, the time preference for that great hunt is a lot different now because I’m older. I’m happy to be in a blind till 11:00 if that’s what it takes, be patient. Put your homework in, scout, place your decoys right in the first time, call right, watch the ducks learn to call. And I really don’t think it matters if we’re talking about scooters, talking about divers, if we’re talking about geese, if we’re talking about ducks in the pacific central Mississippi, Atlantic flyways. I think it all boils down to fundamentals. It all boils down to how you play the game.

“Right. Yeah, I love that comparing that to baseball fundamentals and hopefully that hits home for me and I’m sure it does for a lot of other guys.”

Jake Terry: Right. Yeah, I love that comparing that to baseball fundamentals and hopefully that hits home for me and I’m sure it does for a lot of other guys. But one thing on the anticipation and expectations and patients side of things and I know you guys utilize social media and so do we and it can be a great thing. But on the negative side of that, some of these newer hunters, let’s say, a guy growing up in central America, that’s just started college or maybe he’s in high school or whatever seeing everything these days, seeing their friends or just people, he doesn’t know but he looks up to on social media and things like that. Talk about how that can negatively effect?

Ramsey Russell: Yeah, It is. And I say, I love – as somebody that was literally 21 years old, so I pushed the on button of a computer my first time and we still had to go to the wall to call somebody back in those days and write letters and things that letter, times have changed and social media puts the world literally in the palm of your hand. My gosh, were these smartphones today. And this is not me just making this up. You have more information at your fingertips and an instance noticed that George W Bush did the day he was sworn into office. The whole world is right there in the palm of your hands. We couldn’t have dreamed of that 20 years ago. Watching James Bond, James Bond didn’t have that kind of contact. But what I say, the poison and the downside of social media being is that, we tend to fall into a trap of comparing ourselves and those comparisons make us feel bad and those comparisons may make us do things or behave some way or think some way about ourselves or our own hunting experiences in a more negative way than we would in the absence of that. And what I’m cognizant of the whole keeping up with the joneses effect. You look at your neighbor having a great time, mom and dad and the two kids down at Disney and they’re laughing and they’re smiling, they just stepped off of rock and roll mountain roller coaster and everything is fine and man here I am stuck at home. Let me tell you something somebody’s taking a family down to Disney, 5 minutes before that photo was done mama had to get the red Kool Aid off a junior shirt. He was crying. He was tired of walking. They were tired of waiting in line. They it wasn’t what it appeared to be. That picture they posted up that snapshot everybody smile, all right and then the family melted again because it’s hot and the lines are long and the cokes are expensive and somebody probably peaked riding that roller coaster anyway. You see what I’m saying, what we see as a snapshot as a image, a picture is like one 1200 of second, it’s a capture of an imaging time, but it doesn’t tell the whole story and it just doesn’t. Be happy with what you’ve go. Be happy and I tell people all the time in duck hunting, you’ve got those great days, opening day and everybody goes out, everybody’s a rock star because you’re hunting a bunch of dumb ducks.

Jake Terry: Right.

Ramsey Russell: And then you got those days at the other extreme you sit out there and it’s hot, it’s humid, there’s no wind, there’s fog concrete sweating, it just isn’t meant to be, you don’t fire a shot. And then most day’s duck hunting are those in between days. You shoot some ducks, you and your buddies go out and shoot 2 or 3 ducks, 4 ducks peace not quite a limit. And truth matter is if you can’t enjoy duck hunting for what it is play golf. Stay home and play on Facebook, but motivate yourself to be better learn from the good days, learn from the bad days, learn from the average days, learn to appreciate who you’re with and the time you’re with because it is not going to be forever. And that to me I just can’t reiterate enough. We go to Argentina, we shoot same numbers of birds relative to America. We shoot a lot of birds down in Mexico, other parts of the world, we shoot more birds but day in day out, duck hunting is duck hunting, its commanded by things other than just sheer volume of birds and trigger pulling. There’s weather, there’s water, there’s habitat, there’s a lot of different variables that nobody can control. So you have good days and bad days but enjoy the average days too. To me social media perverts that, it brings out the word – and I thanks so much of the ducks of the resource. It’s just a shame that we hinge or appear to hinge too many times our own fragile egos onto a number of birds that we strap. Look be a better person then how many ducks you killed on any average day by all means pour yourself into duck hunt, be the best duck hunter you can be, if you’re going to do anything, do it well. But going out and shooting half a limit of ducks doesn’t make you an abject failure. I don’t care what your buddy on Facebook is posting it’s just how it is.

Jake Terry: Yeah, I agree. And Ramsey, I think that’s what draws a lot of people to you and what you do that just listening to your talk here. You can tell that whether you’re hunting Argentina or you’re hunting back home in Mississippi or a Dag gum farm pond in Oklahoma. You have got the passion, you’re passionate about that hunt, whether it’s whether it’s 6 limits of ducks or 3 or 4 ducks or any anywhere in between. And so it’s refreshing to hear. And I hope the young guys can pay attention to that and like you said, there’s kind of different stages and we go through different stages. I’m 33 and so I’m kind of in that middle, I like to kill them as much as anybody, but like you said, I love that later Morning hunt now a lot more than I did 10 years ago and don’t mind setting them out or don’t mind going out for a slow afternoon to scrape up a few ducks or just watch the dog work and things like that.

Ramsey Russell: I’m out there to duck hunt. I can eat breakfast later. What do you do after that with our camp after the duck hunt, go back to camp and eat and take a nap, get ready for the afternoon deer hunt or football game that’ll wait, I’m not here to duck hunt. People asked me, I’ve been fortunate to shoot little over a 100 species and subspecies of waterfowl, people have asked, what’s your favorite duck? I’ll tell you my favorite duck is the next one. It’s the next one that comes in and does right, that’s my favorite duck and he’s worth waiting for. And that’s just so much of your life you just wait and I enjoy that part of it so much. I’m happy to be there. I’m happy to be hunting those birds and it blows my mind these young guys or just any guys that they are so impatient with going out with their sons and her family and her best friend and people they know and their dog and getting to share those times in the field and I have literally gone halfway across the world in Mongolia target 5 Birds in a week. A one of the crown jewel species of North America, the King Eider unless you’re an Alaskan resident go that far. Hunt on a piece of rock in the middle of the Barren Sea, you’re there to shoot a maximum number 4 King Eiders. But the people I know that are going that far, they’re really just hold up your index fingers, I want to shoot one, I want one drake King Eider. I want to experience that magic of that bird coming in slow motion set up over the decoys. You see that big yellow knob over those waves, that’s all in and I feel like I have got an all in personality. There’s our camp we’ve got these little wetlands and we would cut cards or draw chips to see who goes where. You never know what you’re going to get the next morning, depend on how many people show up and how your luck’s running. So I run through scenarios, here where I want to go. Here’s plan A B C D E F G. I mean, I just run through the list at night, thinking about okay, so I go here, here’s how I’m going to hunt here is going to set up based on the wind and this and that and my knowledge haven’t hunted that place for a long time, here’s how I’m going to hunt. I have got buddies, a lot of my best friend to hunt with the camp, they’ll move in a heartbeat. But I think we didn’t move over there, not me baby, I’m all in. I’m going to think about it. I’m going to deliberate on it, I’m lucky to have hunted some of those areas for 15 years and based on these conditions, I’m going to hatch a plan. I may go out and just the decoys, but I’m not going to pick up all my decoys loaded sled and walk quarter mile set up again, that just ruins the vibe to me. I’m all in, I’m going to play my hand because it’s a game. And that’s how I’m going to play the game. And I’m happy a lot of times in the Deep South this day and age, some of these warm winters we’ve had, I’m real proud to come out with just that next duck. And speaking about persistence and all, talking about the internet just a little while ago, let me tell you another way, I think it’s messed it up. If we spend too much time in a virtual world while we’re in the real world. My camp is not a gimmick, its hard hunting. We don’t get a lot of ducks, when we get a lot of ducks, you got to play by the rules. There’s no big posh comfortable blinds with cooking stoves and drinking bloody Mary mimosas we’re sitting dick deep in the water, hidden hunting hard where the ducks want to be and you’re sitting there playing on your phone, that pair of Gadwalls comes in out of nowhere, that could be your limit ducks that could be your only ducks, it’s a missed opportunity. Well I say play for keeps you got to play for keep. The fundamentals set up pay attention that takes time. I mean, it takes concentration even when I’m sitting there talking to my son or petting my dog, I’m listening, I’m looking, I’m watching, I’m aware, haven’t seen a duck in an hour out of nowhere, here they come. Got to be ready, got to connect, got to make it happen. That’s played for keeps, I’m all in. And I think that anything we’re going to do, we need to be all in, we need to be committed to it. Too many parts of the United States anymore with these weird winters we’ve had, these warm winters changing habitat over the last 20 years, some people say the change in migratory bird distribution. We’ve got to do the best we can, we got to play hard, we got to play for keeps the rest of weight, playing on Facebook seeing what everybody else doing that will wait until you’re back at camp, not hunting. Put your phone up man, turn it off and put it in your pocket. Let’s go duck hunt.

Jake Terry: Yep. Enjoy it while you’re there. Your motto Life’s Short Get Ducks, I love that. And I think I have heard you say whether it’s on another podcast or your film series or whatever it is and I want to get into the film series here in a minute. But you talked about your favorite duck, is that next duck. Is your favorite place to hunt the next place or do you have a place that if you were going tomorrow, you’d go?

Ramsey Russell: My favorite hunt for my first hunt will one day be my last hunt and my next hunt. That’s just the way I approach duck hunting and I’ll say this our slogan, for getducks.com is its Duck Season Somewhere. Every time a man, every time you wake up, brush your teeth, looking at mirror, you can tell yourself 365 days a year that somewhere it’s duck season today. Right now there’s duck season and in the southern hemisphere it’s going full bore. It’s wide open. We’ve got duck hunters in Argentina, we’ve got duck hunters down in Australia. The duck season in New Zealand just opened up and it’s going full bore, good as you ever dreamed of. But the Life’s short get ducks just kind of evolved. It’s the name of a podcast series I’m doing, the title of a short film series we’re doing, telling the unadulterated, unvarnished, unsponsored story of duck hunting around the world to include international hunts, local hunts and self-hunts, just telling a story of duck hunting. I told somebody today, I’m lead shot, fixed choke, back when I grew up we were shooting lead 7.5 out of fixed choke modified or full shotguns. Times have changed since then. But life’s short get ducks the title was born from a personal tragedy I experienced, 2 weeks before my 16^th birthday, I was involved in a home explosion, it’s catastrophic, I died that night. They brought me in, they had to bounce me back with those electric paddles. I told my parents I would lose my right arm and both my legs if I lived the prospect slim, I had an 8% chance of survivability and 92% chance of mortality. Somehow another I beat it. I spent 6 months in a burn unit, came home in rehab for a long time and from stemming back from one of the first cognizant thoughts I had in the burn center, it was Labor Day weekend, which is a big dove hunting opener in Mississippi and I was cognizant that for the first time that I could remember, I wasn’t in a dove field with my grandfather dove hunting. I swore if I ever got out there, I would never miss another opener, I haven’t. And I have just since learned, tomorrow is not given if duck hunting is not your passion maybe golf, maybe football, whatever you’re passion, life’s short do it and be all in and do it well. I was given a second chance and given a second chance, I’m going to burn it down between now and the longest next chance last. I’m not going to leave any stone unturned in the world of duck hunting and that’s just kind of what my passion is. And it’s amazing to me past 20 years, the number of clients I have had that are no longer with us. A lot of my clients start off with client relationships. And even though I always respect the relationship at some point time, a lot of us become friends. We’ve shared enough time in duck blinds around the world. We see each other in between hunts, we’ve become friends. Real friendships were formed. And I have got a collection of pictures, guys in their 60s, guys in their 50s, guys that went to sleep one night and never woke up, guys that I have got a very good friend and client struggling right now, he’s heart problems, not expected to make it Sunday night, he coded they read him his last rites, but he’s hanging in there and I wonder will I ever share another duck hunt with him. He sure put a fun guy to duck hunt with a heck of a shot. Lot of good stories, been duck hunting a long time, a lot longer than I have. I had a young man, a good friend of mine, he turned out to be and he was 40-44 years old, we had been to Uruguay which you now can’t hunt anymore. Had a heck of a shoot together, came home and had a stroke and died in his wife’s arm at age 44. You never know what tomorrow holds, you never know what tomorrow holds for your kids or for your family or for your friends because life isn’t different and it’s just from my own personal experiences, how that experience transformed the way I might otherwise have thought about life and about duck hunting and about building business and about client relations and about my relationship to my wife and my family and to my Lord, be all in, it’s all about the fundamentals, but commit yourself to being the best that you can be, don’t worry about everybody else, be the best that you can be and go all in and appreciate the fact that life’s short get duck. That’s how that motto came to be. That’s more of a personal creed than a company motto.

Jake Terry: I love your backstory and all that and just for people that are worried about – makes you take a step back and not worry about the small things, you know what I mean? Like you said, you pick a hunt, you pick a species or a state or wherever you’re at and go all in on it and I like that. I think that great –

Ramsey Russell: There’s a small detail, but they’re the important detail. Buy the decoy that work for, you shoot the gun that works for you, find the firearm and choke and ammunition combination that fits your budget and fits your lifestyle and fits your hunting conditions and you only learn that through experience and sorry guys, you know what? Some things in life, there’s no shortcut, sometimes it just takes trial and error, figure it out, that’s the whole fun part of it. It’s like my wife and I work on this business and everybody talks about starting a business or working through your career and being at the top of the mountain, here’s a newsflash, there’s no top of the mountain. I remember one time we were heading to Mongolia, we stopped in China, we want to spend a few days in China there in Beijing and wanted to set foot on the wall of China. Because the wall of china, it was built over centuries to keep the freaking Mongols out. They were the most warring nation in the world. In fact, I think they own 40% of earth at one point in time back there in Genghis Khan Era. We thought that would be kind of a cool cultural backdrop on the way to Mongolia to hunt. And I looked at a lot of pictures of the wall of china trying to get my mind wrapped around, what pictures I taken and what I fail to see, it looked to me like a smooth stone sidewalk and when we got to the entrance, I looked up and for the next foreseeable future of my life, it was all stairs, stone stairs and what I realized after about 10 mile stretch of it was there – it was just small little stretches of sidewalk, you’re either going up or going down the entire way. This was built, Godly hundreds of years ago, centuries ago, so once there might be 6 inches, next there might be 2.5ft. We stood at the bottom and I go, how far are we going Mary? Mary Wayne was her name, our tour guide and she said, we’ll go to the top. I looked up there about a quarter mile, I can see that little guard station. I said, well that is no big deal, we’ll go do it. So off we go. And when I get to that guard station from there, I can see the next 5 guard station to the top, heck once we were on the top, why go back down, let’s just walk the whole trail out. There’s no top and in life as you’re developing your career as you’re – there’s no top, it’s the climb, it’s the side, that’s where life happens. So what if you’re world champion duck caller, you don’t have to be to kill ducks. But even if you’re the world champion duck caller, you can still become better. You can win the world to world, you can win another world champion. It’s just a step of becoming better. To me tying the social media and tie in the whole process is just make yourself better, be your biggest competitor, make yourself better. No matter what you do in life, make yourself better. But especially in duck hunting, make yourself better. Enjoy it for what it is and enjoy it for what it’s not. And if you want more challenge, go chase another species, step out of your comfort zone. If you’re used to hunting beaver ponds go hunt open water. If you used to hunt those go hunt flooded timber. If you used to hunt those go hunt a cypress break, if you used to hunt those go hunt grass, go hunt dry field, go hunt geese instead of ducks, go hunt divers instead of puddlers, go hunt sea ducks instead of divers. It’s endless and it’s such a beautiful journey. I love you all’s title Endless Migration. And it and it really is a lot like duck season somewhere. But Godly, it is such a big country, the hunting is blessed with a myriad of species and hunting styles and hunting traditions. Like I talked to a lot of these guys that are chasing the “41 or 50” whatever they decide to chase with a slam, I tell them hey, be careful because what are you going to do when you get done with all that? Go play golf? No, you’re going to find out. It’s a real big world. And I have been there many times and I have shot a lot of those species but ironically, I don’t collect species. I collect experiences. That’s what does it for me are just those times and those people in those places, that’s what I love about duck hunting. That’s what – I’ll never forget one time my first time to Russia, we’re Capercaillie hunting, but we took a day off to go duck hunting and I was sitting in leaky waiters and a very cold ice rimmed creek, I had a duck call on a coat pocket, I haven’t used in months, I brought along anyway and they gave me one decoy and I threw it out as far as I could get it from where I was standing, one old paint battered coot decoy of all things and we’ve been there about an hour green head flew over. I fumbled around and finally found that call and I broke it and it sounded terrible, the cork was dry, when that mallard heard that call, it’s like he hit the end of a rope and his neck snapped and he turned and cupped and comes straight in and I shot him by the foot over that coot decoy. I was so excited. There was a wild duck that had apparently never heard of duck call a day in his life. He came right in, played by the rules textbook boom, I shot him. God, well it’s just a mallard, I go, you ever shot a mallard in Russia? That sparked his interest. I mean, that’s the cool thing about mallards, mallards are everywhere in the northern hemisphere, everywhere that a duck can exist, there’s mallards. And then they’re down to southern hemisphere in New Zealand, where they were introduced, so they’re on 5 continents. One of the coolest things, we went to Mongolia and we were there to hunt bar headed geese, swan geese, common and ruddy shell ducks and then the other Asian type species we might get our hands on. Those are the reasons we went and client myself and there are 4 of us – the client myself and one of the guys left, they drove 6 hours across tire tracks around this wide open plain through the mountains of Mongolia to scout another area, they weren’t anything up there but ruddy shell ducks, we looked and looked a little too early for that area. And as we were coming back decided we were going to go to back to the south camp the next day we passed by this little area and it was just this little bit of low lying area, it had about knee deep than less water, a little ephemeral pool of snowmelt, it’s been about 4 acres and it was solid green heads and pin tails, solid. And we drove down and looked at, birds of course, got up and flew away and I asked the guide, I said I would like to hunt here tomorrow. He goes, instead of leave for south camp. No, first we hunt here then we go to South camp, we’ve got plenty of time to do it, the problem was there was no cover. See there’s whatever, there’s 33 million head of livestock in Mongolia, 3 million residents and not a strand of barbed wire. They nomadically grazed the whole landscape. First they bring in the cows and they bring in the yaks and the horses and then the sheep and the goats and by the time everything kind of runs through there basically bare dirt. So what do you do? We ain’t got layout blinds we’re in Mongolia, we’re halfway across the world literally north of china. We thought for a minute and I said, well what about that herder, that nomadic herder, we passed by a few miles ago. Do you think he would sell us a couple of bales of hay? We drove back and bought a couple of bales of hay and look, our guy didn’t have a clue that Mongol that we gave, how much is that? He goes, something, I don’t know 32,335 Mongolian dollars. I go, how much is that in US dollars was like $6. All right, here you go, here’s 20 bucks, keep it. And they couldn’t figure out what we’re going to do with that hay. So the next morning we got up and went out to this just bare dirt moonscape and we put out our decoys just me and the client and we broke out that bell of hay and we took a little stack of it to put her head on and then we put the rest of it on top of us. Just kind of made a little hay blind, just got this little sliver of hay and the guide who has absolutely no basic, he knows where to find a bird, but they don’t understand commercial duck hunting at all, he backed off about a quarter mile sat truck watched in amazement. And as we stood up and the hunt was over and we waved him over, he came up and he looked at the ducks and he described, he said it was amazing. He says, I was watching through binoculars and the birds were flying and they would get above you all and they would start to circle real tight and then they would come in and I broke out my call, well yeah, we were talking to them, his eyes got big. He’s like, wow. And as he looked at the bird, he goes and it’s all boys, no hens. That’s amazing, it’s amazing. I said, no, it’s not amazing. We chose to shoot just drakes. His eyes got big and he’s like, why? I’m like, well its April why do we want to shoot a hen mallard. I mean, the whole point is the art and the challenge of duck hunting. Why do we need to shoot a hen? Just because we can. And what this guy really knew how to do was hunt Ibex. He didn’t knew anything about duck hunting, but he knew about ibex. That’s what I said, if you’re ibex hunt and you walk 30 miles into the mountains and there’s a U do you shoot it? Well, of course not only the only the males, the trophies. I go, well there you go. To make mallard hunting a trophy, we’re hunting in an area we’ve been provided monumental challenge of concealment and setting up and hiding and doing this stuff. So we made a sport of it by shooting only the drakes and we shot drake mallards and drake pin tails and look into a pair of ruddy shell ducks that came right in. But see that it was just so spectacular to be just such a crazy place like that. And even though it was just a mallard and we played by the rules and they played by the rules and we played the game. And I don’t have a favorite duck species, but I will say I love mallards because mallards don’t just play by the rules, they wrote the rule book of duck hunting, they really did. And that’s why mallards – tell me another species of ducks that day in day out most consistently in North America that you can call and set up and work and not that all mallards are going to do it all the time, they’re not. But yeah, pin tails you can call in of course the teal decoy but not like a mallard. You think about the roots and the origins of the fundamentals of duck hunting is all kind of predicated on mallard hunting and then we begin to evolve and develop a few wind up pitches and different little angles and stuff to hit these other ducks with but that’s a very fun thing to me, that is really – I think those little stories kind of really encapsulate what I really dig about duck hunting. It’s a building block. You stick to the fundamental but it’s a building block. Now, one of the big bread and butter ducks down in Argentina. If you were the first time Argentina duck hunter, there’s 15-16 species to go get your hands on and look at you and I over. But for me, I’m after one, I mean really drop shoot them all. Next ducks comes in I love shoot duck down Argentina but they got a duck down there called a Rosy Billed Pochard and it’s a diver technically, it’s a diver to feed a far back to me it works a lot like a canvas back, they growl but they’re in a genus called Netta. You’ve got Red Crested Pochard and Southern Pochard down in Africa and Rosy Billed Pochard down in Argentina that are all in that same genus and they’re all divers but they’re kind of like a false diver. They really don’t like extremely deep water like scaup. They like shallower water, they inhabit mallard type habitats and you call them and they behave, they call very good, you growl into your call instead of quack at them, but they’ll set up come ripping in the decoys, they’re very good to eat universally and they set up right. And so as through experience as I learned to hunt these Rosy Bills and they became my favorite duck in Argentina for the same reason I love to shoot mallards in the States. I was in Azerbaijan hunting 8 miles from Iran, right there on the Caspian Sea hunting in a massive wetland. I mean a really big wetland and that’s why I went. We shoot Eurasian Wigeons, Eurasian Green Wings, Mallard, Pin tails, Gadwall, Shovelers but we’re there to get those – hopefully get those Red Crested Pochard man, what a neat looking duck. Kind of black and white body like the Rosy bill, but big round orange looking head and bright red – revlon red, lipstick red beak and it was a cloudy day and we shot all kinds of different birds that day myself in a blind with my guide and a flock of birds ripped over the decoys come from a blind spot, come wide into the decoys when it banked, all I saw was that black body with those white wing bars and distinct fully I picked up my call, started growling at them like I would Rosy bills and those birds just turned right into the decoys ship along drakes. I didn’t see the orange head. I didn’t recognize them as Red Crested Pochard but building from an experience hunting pochards and seeing something in the way they banked, it made my mind instinctively think pochard – I went into pochard mode and bam here they come and I scored my first Red Crested Pochard. From then on that a deal the little guide, I don’t know, I can’t remember what the Azery word for Red Crested Pochard is, but from then on he saw him anywhere in the stratosphere, he would yank my coat, say like that and say start calling, but that’s duck hunt, that’s what I love about duck hunting. It’s not the species, it’s not the trophy, it’s the reward and the reward is chasing them and figured it out making it happen. That’s what makes me passionate about duck hunting.

Jake Terry: Anybody that listens to you talk about it. I mean, I apologize, I haven’t asked very many questions at all, but man, I just love to listen to somebody that’s passionate about waterfowl, talk about waterfowl and I appreciate you sharing these stories with us and stuff. Before I let you go Ramsey, you mentioned about it a little bit ago about your film series and things like that. But as far as what you’ve got coming down the pipe, where’s the next hunts at? Where can people follow along on social media, your website?

Ramsey Russell: Oh yeah, thank you for asking that. I would invite everybody to go to our website getducks.com and I’ll tell you an interesting little titbit. As we were developing that website, it’s very comprehensive, it’s very big by necessity because all the input to destinations, geographies and species and it’s fairly complicated for a website. But if we were developing that kind of in a rebuild about 10 years ago, we’re working with a team out of Dallas that was into searching and optimization and kind of helping us build a wire frame for it all. And they observed traffic patterns on our website and they said, Ramsey it’s very interesting because you’ve got a lot of traffic coming to getducks.com that we can tell are reading the website like for recreational entertainment. He said, the patterns are such, it’s like they’re just reading the hunt and looking at the pictures and going to the photo galleries and going to the videos and then reading the blogs and doing this and doing that. And he said, it’s very recreational. And the numbers were astounding, the numbers were 175,000, 100,000-150,000, 175,000 unique visitors annually. Well, then social media came along Facebook and Instagram and YouTube and Twitter and whatever else. And so what we see is that we’re still getting 75000-80000 unique visitors annually but a lot of the difference is following us on social media and we try to – right now, we don’t post up daily but trust me, as soon as I leave next week for South Africa, it’ll be daily until the next year. Just daily updates, daily story feeds, videos. So the kind of stay relevant, stay caught up and plug into it and for the entertainment value is there, you might even learn something because we talk about a lot of species and a lot of adventures and food cultures, it’s very interesting in that respect. We started a – it’s as much a passion project as anything, this Life’s Short Get Ducks film series. The 1^st episode was Australia. It aired back in January. We tried to run about every other month having a new feature come out. We just launched the Argentina, the first of several Argentina stories. Next up will be Mexico. Next up will be Azerbaijan. They are a little 7 or 8 minute films with little breakaways on species or different little things to accompany them. Next up, we’ll be – after Azerbaijan will be Nebraska, Wyoming, Alaska which was a freelance quest of mine to hunt in remote Alaska to shoot a Goldeneye I got him. But it was a good hard trip, earned it. Then we’ve got a lot of other hunts, South Africa, more Argentina, Mississippi probably Delaware, probably Chesapeake Bay, Probably Ontario for sure Alberta, it’s a series and before you look at it or say, oh well he’s just trying to sell duck hunts, go and watch the story. We’re not trying to sell, we’re telling duck hunt. I think that I was talking to somebody on the phone this morning, there’s a whole generation of duck hunters that are unaware of our history, of our roots, of our origins as duck hunters. I’ve got a whole bunch of clients now middle career in their lives that have never didn’t grow up shooting lead shot, all they know is non-talks. They didn’t grow up hunting over wooden decoys or homemade cork decoys, they don’t know history of Jack Miner foundation or some of these different areas. And so we just decided that with video we were going to tell the story a full story of worldwide duck hunting – and the first thing you’ll notice very quickly we’re not sponsored, I’m not telling the story of pick a sponsor, I’m telling the story of duck hunting for the viewers benefit. That’s how rush out and go by the latest greatest camo or ammo or whatever else. And anything you see me wear or see me use because I believe in it and I bought it. When you’re 6000 miles from home hunting in the rain, I don’t need something that leaks, I don’t want to be wet, I don’t want to be cold. My gears are all the way back home, so I try to choose products and choose things that work for me. So we’re not sponsoring that nature in terms of viewing it, it is on all our social media channels, Instagram TV, Instagram, Facebook and YouTube and then we also place it on our web page, so you could go to our web page and view them. And I invite everybody to watch it, please share it. Don’t hesitate to take to contact us, we’re not just commercial ventures. If you want to go to Argentina, if you want to experience some of these deep in the grass duck hunting adventures by all means call me let’s go. But if you’re just looking for a referral, on somebody to hunt in Canada or the United States of America by all means, look at the US hunt list contact them directly, their name and numbers on there and if you want to know anything else about them call me personally, I’ll tell you what my experience was there. But anyway, I enjoy, I get to talk, I’m blessed to talk to duck hunters all day, every day and I love to meet new duck hunters from all stages and all walks of life. Everybody’s got a story and so many duck hunters, whether they’re just getting started or they’ve been hunting for 30 or 40 years, they’re so passionate about this thing is what makes duck hunting unique into itself. And so by all means stay in touch.

Jake Terry: I had the pleasure of watching that first episode really liked it. And you’ve got Jake Latendresse producing that for you Right? So it’s all super high quality –

Ramsey Russell: Yeah, Jake Latendresse is doing a wonderful story. When I explained him, I knew he was the right guy. And when I explained to him my concept of telling – describing in video, the universal truth of duck hunting and duck camp and duck hunters worldwide, he got it immediately. And he’s been able to really put in the video what we were shooting for.

Jake Terry: And as far as Instagram and Facebook is it @getducks on both the platform to watch –

Ramsey Russell: Yeah, Facebook is @getducks.com. Instagram is actually @RamseyRussellgetducks. That’s the page – my account on Instagram and YouTube, I think it’s Get Ducks, if you google Get Ducks, it’ll come up or Get Ducks YouTube, it’ll come up. It maybe Ramsey Russell Get Ducks also. But all those links on our web page getducks.com. If you get lost in worldwide internet, you can always go to getducks.com and click on the link.

Jake Terry: Well, like you mentioned I think even myself, I’m probably not going to Argentina in the next couple of years, but I love to follow along and learn all I can and you guys are putting out some good content and –

Ramsey Russell: Sure.

Jake Terry: And like you said, you learn something and learn something about species in different places and different culture and that’s what it’s about and just being in this community.

Ramsey Russell: Thank you. I appreciate that Terry.

Jake Terry: And you said next hunt is South Africa?

Ramsey Russell: Yeah.

Jake Terry: Okay.

Ramsey Russell: Yes sir. I have been to South Africa. I have been working down in South Africa but we’ve got a new expedition planned. We’re going to start in Republic of South Africa and go to a couple 2 or 3 camps, shooting geese and ducks and chasing upland birds. And then we’re going to jump over to Zulu land and chase ducks for 3 days. I’ve got some clients, I’ve got Jake coming. It’s just wonderful – people think of Africa, they think of Lions and Hippos and Elephants and plains game, but it’s so much better. It’s some really nice ducks and geese over there too. They’ve got a duck called a Yellow bill and it’s one of the world’s mallard like ducks. When you get down to Australia, you got Pacific Black ducks, you’ve got the American black duck, you’ve got Mottle ducks. And over in parts of Asia, you’ve got Easter Spot Billed ducks and they’re all mallard like ducks that respond to mallard calls and this is one of them. It looks a lot like a dark Mottle duck, plumage is a lot like a Pacific Black duck actually, but it’s got a yellow and black bill and it decoys like mallards. And that’s not all we’re targeting, we’re going after some of the teal, one of the world’s Shovelers species that I have not yet bag is the Cape Shovelers. There’s 4 Shovelers in the world the Northern Shoveler, The Australasian Shoveler down in New Zealand and the Red Shoveler down in Argentina and then the Cape Shoveler over in Africa. And I hope to bag 1 or 2 of those this year.

Jake Terry: I can’t wait to follow along. And I hope everybody that listens to this when it airs here maybe later this week or by next week for sure before your trip will be following along as you go on the next trip –

Ramsey Russell: Yeah, that’s what we trying to do. We try to tell a daily story everywhere we go like this, we tell a daily story just by the instaquest called Instagram stories we’re just constantly uploading, so the clients, that followers can just kind of follow along in our footsteps, if they can experience at first-hand just sitting there at home. Not everybody can go to Africa, but it’s interesting if you’re a duck hunter, you’ll love to see this kind of stuff.

Jake Terry: Well, sounds good. And like I said, I appreciate your time and appreciate your advice and insight for other passionate waterfowl hunters and guys that are looking to get into it –

Ramsey Russell: Yes sir. And thank you all for listening.

Jake Terry: Yeah, we appreciate it and hopefully we’ll catch up again when you’re in the states sometime later this year.

Ramsey Russell: Yeah. Jake, I appreciate you having me, I really do.

Jake Terry: Yeah, no problem. I appreciate your time and we’ll talk again soon and look forward to falling along.

Ramsey Russell: All right, bye-bye.

Jake Terry: Bye-bye. Well, that’s a wrap for this episode of the Endless Migration podcast. Thanks for tuning in and I hope you enjoyed it. Once again, please leave us a rating and review on iTunes if you enjoyed the podcast and we hope that you share it with others in the waterfowl community. Until next time, I’m your host Jake Terry and you’ve been listening to the Endless Migration podcast. These are your stories.

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