Life’s Short Get Ducks Part II: Gone, But Not Forgotten
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In this episode, Josh and I are joined by Ramsey Russell for part two of the story Life’s Short Get Ducks. Today, we talk about the past and what it means to our lives. Ramsey shares a few stories about events and people that set him on the path he is on today.
Rocky Leflore: Welcome to The End of the line podcast. I’m Rocky Leflore and with me today in the Duck South studios, Josh Webb. What’s happening, Josh?
“And a whole lot. I never know how to come into a podcast.”,
Josh Webb: And a whole lot. I never know how to come into a podcast.
Rocky Leflore: For years, we’ve been doing. I’ll let you do it man.
Josh Webb: Well, I have no clue how to do it.
Rocky Leflore: Gosh man, you have to put on this little voice to do the opening. But I mean do you or you don’t.
Josh Webb: I don’t know. See I just, I don’t know. I never land on it. And then I have no idea. It’s the weirdest part of the whole podcast to me. And you would think you’ve been doing it for two years that it would just be turn the phone on, hit record and just go and not worry about it. And really that’s how it is, apart from that.
Rocky Leflore: Let me tell you this, all right. So, when I was a kid, you know, growing up in the 80s, one of the greatest mornings, you’d wake up, every year was always Christmas, you know, growing up modestly, you know, I’ve said this many times as we go through this Ramsey Russell story, which is coming up in just a minute. But Ramsey and our lives kind of match up a lot of like anyway, back to the story, one of the best presence I ever got outside of the BB gun, I got a shotgun one time, but when I was really little, I got this little toy that was called Mr. Game show host. And Mr. Game show host, he had this little stage built for him and he had these two plugs in the bottom of his feet and you planted him into that stage and his mouth would move and his arms would move. I’m getting to the point of this story, but his arms, he would bring up this microphone to his mouth and his mouth would move. But it was called Mr. Game show host and when I’m doing the opening, the whole point of the story is, I remind myself of the way Mr. Game show host used to talk in that toy. It was, the game was based on Wheel of Fortune and had a screen at the bottom of it and you punched a letter and then the light would blink up under that certain it was one of those white dry race, you wrote the letter, you guess the E, the box where the E goes it would light up and you would write it there, then you would guess the puzzle when you knew it. So anyway, my voice sounds like Mr. Game show, when I’m doing this opening, you know, every time I do it, I’m just imagine Mr. Game show, bringing his microphone.
Josh Webb: I don’t know. I mean, it’s just, I don’t know. It is the most awkward part of all of it and I guess it should be the easiest. I don’t know. And you know, really, it would probably better if we didn’t talk so much away from the podcast because you call me, hey, what are you doing? I’m free for a while because we record a podcast. Okay. And then we dial in 30 seconds later. Well, here I’m Rocky and Josh, what are you all doing? The same freaking thing I was doing 30 seconds ago. You know, I don’t know what, so it just makes it weird. I don’t know. Anyway.
Rocky Leflore: Speaking of voices. I just went and ate the best barbecue in Oxford, Mississippi. So, I walk in the store and man, I’ve been having people tell me you need to go to this gas station has got a little restaurant in it and in the back that’s barbecue, I’ve ever eaten catfish in Oxford, it’s called B’s barbecues. Well, I walk in the door and there’s a mausoleum built to guess who? And it goes along with voice or what I’m about to say. Through this favorite place to eat in Oxford.
Josh Webb: Well, if you’re going to do a voice then it’s got to be.
Rocky Leflore: All right guys, I’m proud to be here today. I’m going to have some of that catfish and some of that barbecue over there. As soon as I walk in man, a huge kind picture from. Oh man.
Josh Webb: Well no, I’ve never eaten there. I have heard about that place. I’ve never eaten there. It’s that one always about that one and in the gas station that’s kind of right off the square. That’s got the good chicken on a stick. Those are the two places you always seem to hear about.
Rocky Leflore: Yeah, chicken on a stick, B’s barbecue. There are new one up on the highway is pretty good. That Exxon as you’re leaving to go back toward.
Josh Webb: Yeah, it’s good. Yeah. On the right.
Rocky Leflore: Yeah, that’s it.
Josh Webb: It is an Exxon. Yeah, because we, that’s where we usually stop headed back from Corinth headed back to the Delta. That’s where we usually stopped right through there. Yeah, it’s an Exxon right there by like I said, cannon and motors.
Rocky Leflore: Yeah, I’d probably put it 3rd. I would put chicken on sticks BBQ 2nd and B’s 1st man, I’m telling you, best ribs that is some of the best ribs I’ve ever put in my mouth. They’re unbelievable.
Josh Webb: Yeah, they’re good. I don’t, I’ve never been able to understand why places like that have such good food. But they do. I mean, it’s usually the best.
Rocky Leflore: Well hey, usually on Wednesdays we have, for the past few weeks, Troy’s story has been on Wednesdays. We’ve had some things pop up and texting Josh and Troy this morning, how I do this. You know two, there’s 2 or 3 words, 3 words and I always screw up in text messages –
Josh Webb: No, don’t shove this off on an iPhone because it corrected it to what it is used to, you typing. So, the fact that you meant to put things and it corrected, your phone corrected you to thongs. There’s no excuse. That is no excuse. And so, and I knew you didn’t catch it because you didn’t, I knew you didn’t because you text me, you and Troy in a group message and you text, yeah, so and so whatever. Had some, well you text had some thongs come up and I knew you didn’t text and I know you didn’t catch it and I was sitting there in my office and I just happen to look down, I just start laughing and just kind of and so, I just text back, I said, yeah, I have one of those come up once, I never wore one since that day and I knew you really hadn’t caught it because it took you probably close to 10 minutes to say anything. You’re like, no things, I meant to put things. Yeah, so.
Rocky Leflore: Outside of that, I don’t know how many times I’ve texted you and said something about duck hunting.
Josh Webb: Oh, we’re talking about duck hunting is, once a week? It’s awful. Yeah, so thongs come up and then thongs come up and you have any duck hunting reports? A matter of fact, I don’t, but and look a lot of times that D replaces that L. Oh yeah, it makes for some very interesting conversations. It’s not so bad when it’s just me and you, but when it’s a group message and with, and that’s when it happens the most, it seems like, it’s when whoever our guest is going to be Rocky and I, we create a group message with them and we talk about what’s going on, we can get a feel for what’s happening in their life, whatever and everything like that, so what’s going on? So we’re always texting in group messages and that seems to always be the place where you know, oh, hey. Mr. So and so that we’ve never met before, won’t you come on next Tuesday at lunch and record with us talking about duck hunting. It’s like, excuse me? Yeah, the history of duck hunting. I’m like Rocky. I’m the same and I don’t and I’ve got really good about not texting while I’m driving down the road, but what that leads to is, when I’m going to stop sign or red light, I just text really fast and just put my phone down and then I get all kinds of fantastic words. So yeah.
Rocky Leflore: So, I got to ask you this. I want to see if you know what this is because I’m getting kind of own up in age, I’ve noticed lately and I started noticing it, let me see what this means to you in recruiting photos so, the follow recruiting, not in the sense of a certain school, but I’ve started noticing in regular photographs on social media, say if you and I are taking a picture, somebody’s taking a picture of us, I’m standing beside you and I point at you, what does that mean?
Josh Webb: You point at me?
Rocky Leflore: Yeah, in the photograph, like I got my arm around you and I’ve got a finger pointing like from about your stomach pointing up to your face. Does that mean anything?
Josh Webb: No idea.
Rocky Leflore: That’s what I’m wondering, if anybody’s listening, to podcast who knows what that means –
Josh Webb: I’m probably supposed to know, I don’t know, but I really don’t, I don’t know. Is it like you see it like on these big Instagram pages like people who have a lot of followers or something?
Rocky Leflore: I see it just people taking photos with, yeah, I guess you would say that yes.
“I did hear talk about Instagram and one last thing before we get to Ramsey story, you know, a lot of times we talk about our frustrations with the way that a lot of people portray themselves or how they try to get attention on social media and Instagram seems to be the growing favorite.”,
Josh Webb: I don’t know, I haven’t seen that. I did hear talk about Instagram and one last thing before we get to Ramsey story, you know, a lot of times we talk about our frustrations with the way that a lot of people portray themselves or how they try to get attention on social media and Instagram seems to be the growing favorite. But I heard where Instagram hurts all everything, I mean it’s apparently happening. Business pages and certain pages, you know of like celebrities or whatever, maybe there’ll be some kind of minimum follower deal for it, criteria for it, but they’re going to start allowing certain people and companies to have up to hour long videos on Instagram. So, you know, because you are on Facebook there’s no time limit anymore. You know, at one time YouTube would only allow you to have 10 minutes at a time and then you know, obviously that’s completely changed now and Facebook is completely different now, but yep, so we have that look forward to.
Rocky Leflore: I know you’re a big Instagram guy but I am not, I never jumped on the Instagram wagon.
Josh Webb: I like, I mean, I like it just to see and all it is photographs, you know, I guess now they’re trying to implement more of a video platform, which makes sense.
Rocky Leflore: It’s more, I don’t know, maybe it fits the younger generation better because it’s more about me, I can put my stuff up, but in a relational world, I want to know about others, in the sense of being able to communicate with them, you know good grieves. That’s where the huntress are buddy, they’re on Instagram.
Josh Webb: You are exactly right. I did not have enough time in the day to talk about that.
Rocky Leflore: Woo, shoot a bow in our bikini.
Josh Webb: Yeah, and wear your stick on eyelashes and get a discount code for everybody involved. I’m not going there dude, I’m not doing it today, I’m not. Not doing today.
Rocky Leflore: Think you can go off for a little while about that?
Josh Webb: Who Ramsey?
Rocky Leflore: Yeah, I could get you off on that and get you talking for about it a little while.
Josh Webb: It was cut well into Ramsey’s next two episodes, probably.
Rocky Leflore: Josh. Say this, do your way through these next two episodes with Ramsey, try to take something away from it. Because when you get into 4th through 8th or 10 episodes, chapter 4 through chapter 10, you’re going to be like, I got to go back and listen to these other ones, if you didn’t listen to them. Man, 4 to 10 is going to blow you away.
Josh Webb: Yeah, I absolutely encourage anybody to listen to these first three. I mean, its good stuff. It’s not that isn’t, you know, not that. But definitely –
Rocky Leflore: It’s not the most exciting chapters in the book, but there’s foundational principles, that if you really look up to a human being, another human being, you want to know about those foundational principles and lessons that they learned in life. I do. Josh Webb: Yeah, I’m the same way and that’s what these first three have done with Ramsey is really, really giving you that kind of insight. It’s not I mean, it’s not in any kind of way, Ramsey teaching about do this in life and do that in life. It’s you’re learning how, you really, really see how, I mean, everybody is really the same, everybody’s got all kind of obstacles and it’s just, it’s amazing how people learn from them and cope with them and then how similar them –
Rocky Leflore: And succeed pass them.
Josh Webb: And succeed pass them. That’s right, and learn how similar a lot of people’s past and present, you know, really is.
Josh Webb: All right, Josh. Well, I will tolerate you later, have a good afternoon and let’s get to the story about Ramsey. All right, guys, like I told you on the front of the podcast, we’re very lucky to have Ramsey back again this week. We’re recording chapter two in Life’s Short, Get Ducks, but I like to talk to Ramsey, I think it’s really good. And did you see the amount of comments that the picture got Gosh dog and people like that picture.
“Rocky, you know the first deer I ever killed by the time anybody thought to get a camera, there was one picture, it’s a Polaroid picture and I’m literally wrapping up deer steaks and that was my first deer. We’re sitting at the kitchen sink and wrapping up deer steak.”,
Ramsey Russell: There was a whole different era back then, we you know, you grew up in the 1970s, my grandmother who lived an hour away, had an old polaroid camera, excuse me, my mother had one of those, I don’t know what you call those cameras, it was like a precursor to the disposable Kodak camera, you know, just winded up and take a few 1-10 pictures and they all come out grainy and they all look yellow, 10 years later and you know, you remember all these things but you open up a shoe box and there’s not but a few pictures from Christmas and all that good stuff. Rocky, you know the first deer I ever killed by the time anybody thought to get a camera, there was one picture, it’s a Polaroid picture and I’m literally wrapping up deer steaks and that was my first deer. We’re sitting at the kitchen sink and wrapping up deer steak. But I heard when I posted up that picture when you all posted that picture and it got shared around, I heard from people I hadn’t talked to in 20 or 30 years. People that saw that picture, people I grew up with their in Greenville with people that remembered it. It was, I guess a defining moment I had forgotten all about till we started talking.
Rocky Leflore: My thing is, how do you find a picture that matched up with the episode so well?
Ramsey Russell: I don’t know, I believe that was my old grandmother’s car in the back right there and they’ll be looking something. I don’t know, why that picture even got taken that was just one of those pet turtles that have been raised up till he was about a pound and a half and rather than send him to the fish market for 40 cents a pound I let him go. Somebody thought to take that picture before I did. It had been a long time. It’s one of a dozen or fewer photos from those days that I know to exist. They’re just weren’t a lot of pictures taken back in those days. I don’t know why we didn’t. Of course now, boy, I tell you, picture’s worth 1000 words it used to be, that’s not today’s currency the way we take pictures on these cell phones and stuff. People take pictures of everything anymore. But it brought back a lot of memories. Rocky, what, Josh, what is something that just makes you nostalgic because you know what, I was thinking of, is that I got to tell on that story from back in those days is, I just had this one thing that just, I think of and every time I smell it, I just think of those days, you all got any ques, like anything that just makes you homesick or something?
Rocky Leflore: Like I said when we closed up that podcast the other day, you know one of the ones that I told Josh this, it’s amazing how much our stories kind of match up as far as that childhood memory goes and mine is cotton defoliant like yours man, I can put a window down and think about being a kid laying in a cotton trailer eating, I was like, Opie Taylor, I would fill my shirt full of pears were getting ready at the same time as cotton picking and I would just fill my shirt up and just climb up in the cotton trailer and eat pears and helping pack cotton, big tunnels through the cotton. And that smell takes me back.
Ramsey Russell: And growing up in Washington county Mississippi yeah, growing up Washington county Mississippi to smell of cotton defoliant, just gives me chills and I do remember just jumping those cotton trailers and running and playing in them that was fond memories and funny how life keeps looping back onto itself. Something that happened then, you know, break 30, 40 years later happens again and we were talking so much about those turtles, I’ve forgotten when the podcast ended 35 years later, I get a telephone call from my son Duncan, he’s my middle son, I get a call from his teacher. First, let me just tell you, my Children are good kids. I was a very precocious, very troubled kid. I was, it gave a lot of gray hair to a lot of people when I grew up and I don’t think my kids did quite as much, not that they were perfect, but I got a call from a 4th grade teacher and I knew her socially and I knew her husband. We socialized on the days, but on Wednesday night, back in the day and I got a call from her and I go, yeah, how can I help you? She goes, I need a kickback. I said a kickback? She said, oh yeah, I need my cut. I said, what in the world are you talking about? It turns out that, you know, of course school has changed too, I can’t imagine selling turtles like this when I was in 4th grade, but she said, you know, she’d be right in the middle of a math lesson or something being knocked on the door, my son Duncan would walk out in the hall and come back inside and sit down and be another knock at door, he’d get up and walk out in the hall and may I speak to Duncan? He go out and talk to him. He was selling turtles. His pockets were loaded with these little green turtles and snapping turtles and she said, I thought he was cutting drug deals out in the hall and I walked out to see what was about and he was selling turtles. Do you know anything about this? And I started laughing, I go that’s my boy, I’m proud of him. So, I go and talk to him, if you want to talk about the power of inflation, I’m getting 40 cents a pound, 25 cents for a live turtle back in the day. I said, Duncan, what are you getting for this turtles? He goes, $5 cash and carry. I said, $5 cash and carry. He goes, yes sir, $6 if they have to go home and get a check or ask their mama for permission. He had the program down now because he knew once that kid took it home, it wasn’t going to come back, he knew that, he knew it sold deal but so, if they took it home to ask mama it was $6 the next day and he was rolling in money and between turtles and bobcat clause, he took a bobcat paw to, somebody shot a bobcat at camp one day and he cut the tail off and the paws off. His teacher called and said I don’t have a problem with it, but I just want you to know Duncan sold a Bobcat tail to a little kid out here for $20. I said, $20? And I went back and said son did you sell a tail for $20, he goes yes sir. I said, you need to take the paws to school tomorrow because, you’ll get more than claws on there. You don’t want a dealer. I mean, he and Forrest both were. Forrest was doing taxidermy at 8 years old and thanks to MS ducks, he had a big client list $25 a duck and he ain’t going up to about $175 a duck before he retired started getting the long business. But It just, it was funny how all them years later, 35 years later I get a call from school and my son Duncan is selling turtles out in the hall just like his old man was back in the day.
Rocky Leflore: I think it’s a race man. I mean, I could see it even in the 80s when I was in school but for Duncan to be selling them 20 years later because I sold a few of them. I didn’t do it on the commercial level like you did, I would bring one a week or something like that. You know, I didn’t do it like you and Duncan.
Ramsey Russell: It’s like selling everything else, it’s all about the volume you know. I guess, that’s what I’ve learned in business and I’ll say this another story that came to mind. I met years later, years later I was on Agri pro staff and we were over Stuttgart, I met Bush Reichenbach for the first time. Mayor Bush Reichenbach, very nice guy. I’ve seen him at shows and I bought a few calls from his booth but never properly got to visit with him. And we were at the cafe there in downtown Stuttgart and he walked in and sat down at the Avery table and was talking and a lot of guys that were there were aspiring world champion caller type and we’re just really his interrupting his lunch. You know, I can tell you, he was just getting a little frustrated with the conversation but I couldn’t help but I had to ask this question. As far as I can, just about as long as I can remember in current history you know, the world champion duck calling contest has been held in Stuttgart and not many people remember that there was a time back in the day that it was held on the banks of Lake Ferguson and I can remember watching it in 1972 I would have been in 1st or 2nd grade about two houses down was a man named a forester, a scientific forester from over Stoneville, a research forester they call him. Bottomland hardwood, civil cultures named Baker, he blew a duck call all the time, he was always out in the backyard blowing a duck call. I remember a lot of times when he get out sun setting kind of like it is now, he started blowing a duck call, my dad might run inside and blow a duck call and Mr. Kincaid down the road, might run inside and grab his call and it would be just a whole neighborhood block of men calling ducks to each other. Mr. Baker had showed us, he blew a double reed, sure shot cowboy Fernandez told us the whole story and he showed us one time how –
Rocky Leflore: Now, let me, I want to ask you this just for perspective for the younger users that’s listening to this, Ramsey, what was the routine like? Was it as loud was it as –
“You know the call is great. I use it quite a bit. I used a lot of different calls I’m not, you know “brand loyal” I don’t ride with a posse, I don’t run nothing, I just use a duck call, I like that call a lot.”
Ramsey Russell: No, I don’t, no, it was more to me as I recall back in those days remember I’m 1st, 2nd grade, I’m just along for the ride with my dad and granddad you know who, as far as I know we’re just going to see Mr. baker call and I just remember, I remember it being a lot more like duck hunting that I don’t think, Godly, I was in my 20s before I heard somebody stand on the crop, hail calling and all that stuff like that. Hey, it works man. For a long far away ducks you can get ducks attention doing that, I guess it’s changing. But back in those days I just don’t recall, they would hail call, but I don’t remember, it sounded like today’s competition and to get that real high end buzz, he showed us, he put a little piece of foil or something in between those two double reed to you give it a buzz when he called and everybody, all those kids growing up, we just all knew Mr. baker was world champion, going to be world champion and some little guy, nobody, I’ve never heard of, at the ripe old age of 6 or 7 years old, I’d never heard of this guy from Arkansas blowing this strange call that I’ve never heard of, a chip makers single reed. And he showed up and became world champion that year on the banks of Lake Ferguson and that was how I led into my introduction Mr. Reichenbach, well, right by time he’d heard and talk all he wants to talk and interrupt his lunch about duck calling competitions. I said, Mr. Bush, what year was that you won your first championship on the banks of Lake Ferguson and boy, his head snapped up and he said, what the hell you know about it? I said, I was about belt high, sitting on a navy blue Buick when you beat my neighbor Jim baker and he took up with me pretty hard and heavy and later that afternoon we all went over to shop look around and we were walking up down the aisles, Mr. Bush and I were and the boy, the competition type callers are in the back, hail calling and trying out calls and stuff like that. And he and I were walking up and down the aisle. He said, you know, I never hunted with but one call, I said, me neither. He said, I didn’t use these competition, these new day competition calls when I hunt, I said, I don’t either, I like just standard call. He says, which Rich-N-Tone do you blow? I said, Alvin Taylor. Taylor made call. And he laughed, and he did something, we walked up front, he said, I got to show you something. And there was just, there was a big beautiful display cabinet in the halls of that building and had a few calls and I’m sure John filled it up over the years. But there’s one call I remember he pointed out, he said, you see that call right there I go. Yes, he goes that’s the 8th call I ever made. The 8th call I ever made and I duck hunt with that call and I have no idea where in the world John found it, but they’re going to turn a call and do a new model call on that. Let me show you. We walked into the C and C room, well turnout room, there’s a bunch of coca bola blanks with inserts in the barrels. Beautiful little call, a little tiny calls, a little hunting type hole, you know, a little bored out for hunting. He said, this is that call and they called it traditions. He says, go through here and find you want, you know, just put something together and blow what you like, let me know if you find one you like and I did, it sounds good, I blow it, I still blow it, quite a bit. I said, how much is this call? And he said, $75, I said, Mr. Alvin Taylor, he sold his calls for $50. He said that’s what I meant $50 find the one you like and I want you to have it. That meant a lot, you know it just, it meant a lot to me being able to connect the dots and meet him that one time that one day and our conversation with abruptly ended because the St. louis cardinals were coming on television, he was a huge fan and he wanted to go watch the game but it really meant a lot just to meet him at that level. He was a very nice guy and just to take it all the way back to the wonder years on the banks of Lake Ferguson. You know the call is great. I use it quite a bit. I used a lot of different calls I’m not, you know “brand loyal” I don’t ride with a posse, I don’t run nothing, I just use a duck call, I like that call a lot.
Rocky Leflore: I would love to see his facial expression when you told him that you were there that day.
Ramsey Russell: Oh, well, his head just pop up. He said what do you know about it? I said, I was there. But you know, it really, I couldn’t have told you in 3rd grade who that man was and what kind of call he was blowing and everything else, it took years later I ran across a newspaper clipping somewhere. Somewhere buried up, somewhere is a newspaper clipping that I ran across many years later and read and that you know, then I knew who Mr. Reichenbach was and I was able to put it all together. It was just stroke of genius I was there.
Josh Webb: What did, talk talking about that though in that day, what kind of turnout was it for that, Ramsey?
“You know, everything’s bigger when you’re a child, you know what I’m saying? The walks are longer. I don’t know, it’s just, it’s a lot of people I really do.”
Ramsey Russell: You know, everything’s bigger when you’re a child, you know what I’m saying? The walks are longer. I don’t know, it’s just, it’s a lot of people I really do. I only saved the memories.
Josh Webb: Yeah, I’m just curious.
Ramsey Russell: I know it was a lot of people but I really wouldn’t have an accurate way of compare it. It seems like that’s the epicenter of the world. Stuttgart is, when that event takes place now around thanksgiving.
Josh Webb: Yeah. Well, that’s why I’m asking, you know, just yeah, that’s why I mean, I know that then it wasn’t that big of a deal but well, number of people wise, obviously not as many then as it is now, but it was probably equally important. That’s why I guess, I was really getting that more than anything, it was such a big deal people from all over came in, you know, came in showed up for it and it was a, I imagine it was a big deal. It was something to get worked up about.
Rocky Leflore: How many years did they have it there Ramsey?
Ramsey Russell: I don’t know. I couldn’t tell you that either. But I knew, all I know is in 1972. It would not surprise me to learn that shortly after somebody from Arkansas wanted to got moved Stuttgart. I really wouldn’t surprise me at all. But I really don’t know that part of the history, I wish I did. I’m sure somebody listening, in the know which part of the world would know the history of it. I don’t know. It was just, like I say that is something I really hadn’t dwelled on or thought a lot about until we all started talking about this. You know, just reaching back to all those years kind of awakened some memories. You know, I thought about a lot of stuff we talked about after we talked about it and it just, it kind of opened a little floodgate of memories. You know, we get so busy, you get so dead gum busy by the time you have Children and kids and bills and mortgages and businesses and people calling and things that do, you know, you just, by the time you’re 50 something odd years old, you just get busy and we tend to just forget stuff or not think about stuff like we did and having these conversations have opened up a little bit of fun floodgate of things, I never really thought about. You know, like we’re talking about dove hunting, do you all remember the first dove you ever shot or how you learned to shoot?
Josh Webb: I do and I’ll never forget it. I do. I still have the gun and I can still take it to the exact spot where I was sitting. I killed two that day with two boxes of shells. But I do. But that’s just the kind of things that you’re right, you don’t, I don’t want to say you don’t think about I mean it’s very clear in my mind, but you know, it takes something happening to trigger something triggers it. Most of the time, what does it for me is picking up that gun that humpback browning, which I have it, you know, and I’ve got a lot of –
Rocky Leflore: Well Josh, you have to become a man and I don’t mean to be nostalgic and break into Ramsey story, but little the people know about Josh and I want to say this, Josh had to become man way ahead of his time. I mean you did Josh. I mean you lost your daddy. How old was you?
Josh Webb: I was 12. Went to bed on a normal Monday night and woke up the next day, you know with, as the only man in the house. Well, I mean my little brother, but I was the oldest man in the house that next morning that was not in the plans that day before. You know, what I mean? It’s just one of those things.
Rocky Leflore: The reason I say that is, I guess, while we’re living normally you were, man, stuff hits you harder and you probably or readily remember things more because of that.
Josh Webb: I do, you know, well, and dad wasn’t a big hunter. He loved to fish. Dad went to deer camp a lot with us, hang out, watching ball games and cook. He wasn’t a big hunter, but he was one of the biggest influences in me being such a big hunter and outdoorsman because even though he didn’t do it, that’s not, you know, that’s not what got him excited to get up at 04:00 Am, but he knew and saw what it did for me and my granddad and how important it was to my life and he supported it 110%. And so that was, you know, and that was as important to me, especially later in life that was just as important to me as, you know, whether he’d been sitting in a deer stand or duck blind with me. But anyway, I’m not, well we can get off on all my –
Ramsey Russell: That’s what I love about these conversations is just like sitting around and talking.
Josh Webb: You know, that’s the thing, you know, we were talking earlier about nostalgic things and what takes you back and I mentioned that just second ago that gun, that Belgium A browning and a double sided lynch’s box call, they were both given to me at the same age I had used on both. That’s how I learned to call turkey’s own, that’s what I learned to shoot when I got old enough to handle the 12 gauge, that’s what I shot. That both of those were “mine” but I’ll never forget the day they became mine and I was sitting against the tree that I killed my first turkey on and that was the day that, you know, my granddad looked at me and he said, well that call and that gun is yours and it was hard from me and we unfortunately don’t hunt that place anymore, some stuff happened years ago, blah, but for a long time, I mean, a long time after that I never and you know that tree is really kind of in the middle of that farm it’s 1200 acres and I never would ever, and my grandad still alive, but I would never ever sit back down at that tree and hunt from it again just because of the, just like a respect. It was just something I never wanted to attain it. I never wanted to blur anything in that memory. So after that day, I was 12 that day and after that day I never, now I hunted and killed anything and everything all around that tree and that one particular spot on that farm. But I never, I just never would, never go back and one thing I want to do before I die, I do know the landowner is, if and when that tree ever falls, I want to go get a piece of it and have somebody make me a call out of it. But that’s just of the kind of things that, you know, you’re right, Ramsey, you get busy. It’s not that you forget about it or they don’t mean anything, but you just, then all of sudden something one day just out of the blue will hit you and it takes you back and you got to sit there and take a deep breath and choke down some tears or let the tears flow whatever you want to do because that’s just, but that’s the beauty of being outdoorsman you know, it’s just the kind of thing –
Ramsey Russell: It’s just who we are.
Josh Webb: That’s right.
Ramsey Russell: Just like we started off that quote about the past is never dead. You know, it just becomes a part of us whether we think about it or not. I remember my, you know, I just, I always tell you my granddad was such a practical guy, you know, just a practical guy and it’s just, you know, so when he went to buy his grandson a shotgun, he bought a full blown Remington, 1110, 20 gauge, 1972, Aaron 28 inch barrel. And you know, Remington is a heavy guns, it’s a heavy gun. I didn’t realize that till I gave my kids Remington gun heavy gun. You know, it’s a heavy gun and but all they did back in those days, of course I’m 8 years old and decided it was time for me to shoot at some birds a little bit. So he went about that full blown Remington and took it to a gun shop and said saw the stock down, so they saw the stock in half and glued the pad back on and file down the pad to fit the stock and that was it. Still got that gun, still shoot it, even though I have to hold it a foot off my shoulder to make it fit good, you know, fits my wife, okay and my kids, my son Forrest shot his first duck with that gun, it’s a heavy gun. And back in those days, I don’t know how everybody else learned to shoot. I just got stuck out in the field, he and Mr. Hollande felt, holland felt was his senior partner, about 20 years of senior and they practiced law together there in Greenville and they just stuck me out on a hilltop, this little rise out there from where if I did mess up to shoot a low bird or something, it couldn’t hurt nobody. And he gave me about five minutes lessons, you know, get in front of the bird, no in front of the bird, where you shot behind that bird and after he just was discontent that, I kind of got what he was saying, he gave me a box of shells, said don’t put but one shell in this gun and of course back in those days we minded folks, you know, kids back in that generation, you did what you were told and for a long time, I guess for 2 or 3 years I didn’t put one shell in an automatic gun. Funny how you learned how to, automatically put that gun on safety and load that gun back up, you know, and everything. And I think that same day I may have shot a bird or two nothing spectacular. But the day I really remember was hunting that same little area in Ferguson, years later I was 11, 12. Of course he was one of the first people always out of field with his limits. He was sitting there on back of a bronco plucking his doves, not picking them, plucking them. And a dove came over the levee, I was down beneath it and he saw me picking to shoot and he said, don’t shoot, it’s too high, don’t shoot, it’s too high, don’t shoot boom. I shot the dove fell. I mean, I just got in the zone there for a second. It probably took longer to tell that and what the better it can happen. But he said, don’t shoot, it’s too high. And I shot, I killed that dove, picked up, walked up there too. He didn’t say no, you kept plucking his dove, I was scared, he’s mad at me. I said everything okay? He says, I reckon, you know your distance now son. And that was it, the last time he ever told me shoot or don’t shoot because I hit the dove. He knew I do. So, I remember about that time 11, 12 I actually got a 12 bird limit. I was proud as I could be, you know that I finally kind of passed up into that and I don’t know how much time we got on the podcast but I used to hear him talk about, again, he did have a camera. It was funny because he had a real 35 millimeter single lens reflex. I believe it’s a Pentax camera. And I remember him taking it fully manual and I just remember, you know, you’re sitting out there looking at something squinting in the sun. You know that sun had to be straight in the eyes and you squint forever while he’s adjustment and dialing and everything else, you know, getting ready for the shot back in those days, it might be months or years before you ever got the role developed. But he did take a few more pictures I guess than our household did and I do have some photo albums, you know his whole hunting career, whole hunting life, you know, it’s just basically confined one or two little small magnetic page photo albums. It’s just, it’s interesting looking at all that, you know and thinking about all that and I can remember some of the stories of him around the table talking about Canada goose hunting and I learned from here and there, you know, going to his duck camp sometimes, especially on workdays, they hunted over nearby McGehee Arkansas and it was, I remember driving through a bunch of rice fields to get there and it was a block of woods, I remember driving out through the woods in dry year and I remember them bush hogging the openings or doing a little something. I remember the duck blind, remember building one of the duck blinds, one of this old man from around Greenville, his friends and associates and he, them putting the, it’s like telephone poles and they bolted them all together into a big blind. It was just literally gosh, I’d say 12 to 12, 20 by 20 just a big floor of these post and built up the sides around it and had a roof on it and I guess hooked a tractor up, drug it out to the duck hole or up in the edge of the hole there in the timber and when it flooded, when the water came in the blind floated and they stepped up into it and hunted. Of course he always raised springers like, I may have said, his old partner brought back those springer spaniels, they had a, dad and uncle growing up, they had a dog named mike, then later came Todd and who I grew up hunting with. I can remember that old camp house, there’s nothing, nothing like these campaigns you see today, just a shack, just a hand me down tenant shack in the middle of that field, right on the edge of where they hunted. I can remember walking in and posters hanging, pinup girl posters hanging up boy that was an eyeful for a kid you know, back in those days. Nothing crazy like you see today but just you know, for that era that world war two pin up girl era, just seeing those posters and Just I can remember the story about somebody waking up there, everybody waking up to the shot of a 45 going off because so and so was shooting a rat that had run across the room and it’s a big old rat, big cotton rat, you know in the corner of the hall somebody shooting and I think, I remember seeing sticking my finger in the bullet holes and I remember above the kitchen door Russell’s kitchen, somebody had painted and just spray painted, just Russell’s kitchen because he was the camp cook, that was his thing, he loved to cook, he grilled steaks and he you know, before the card game broke out before dinner you know, he was the cook, he was the principal cook and maybe I think, that’s why I love, I like to cook. I mean, two things I’ve seem to post and think the most about are of course duck hunting but just the food, you know, you get around the different parts of the world and the different camps, you know, that’s the one thing that all one of, just a universal truth in duck hunting is duck hunters eat good, you know that we all eat good.
Josh Webb: You know, when people ask me, well, I’m not in a club or you know, I’m looking to do that or my kids get old enough, when I’m going to do that. But I don’t know what to look for or something like that or you know what? The conversation always comes back around to me saying, well, I can tell you from growing up in camps and being a part of them. The hunting is just a side benefit but it’s the poker games and the yelling at the TV screen because your football team might suck on that particular Saturday and the food, you know that kind of stuff, you just can’t, and those are the most vivid memory for me as a kid. I mean, those are the ones that I can, I mean, I just the types, those are the type of smells too, that catch you sometimes you might walk in a little mom and pop restaurants somewhere to sit down and eat breakfast and just that, just something else something hits you and just takes you back to that. But you’re right, the food, and that’s why I love to cook so much.
Ramsey Russell: The Food.
Josh Webb: That’s why I love to cook.
Ramsey Russell: If duck hunting is religion, you know, because everybody takes this duck hunting religiously now, right? But you know, it’s really, you think about church, it’s not the sermon, it’s not the sermon there, but it’s the fellowship. I mean, that’s what I’ve always liked so much about a church community as a fellowship. One man sharpens another and it’s the same thing at a camp, you’re in the right camp when people get together and break bread and you become friends and you tell, it’s beyond the hunt, it’s the food. Another smell that just always knocks me back to the wonder years is pancakes. Boy, I used to love the pancake breakfast, they had that though, armory. The smell of all those pancakes cooking and bacon grease when you walked in, there was no different than getting up in any morning we’d walk over my granddad’s house before we went fishing, we get there crack of dawn, you know, and he always had fried bacon and was going to cook some blueberry pancakes back in the days, that one of these dried blueberry thing you put their little cans of real blueberries, you mix into the batter and that boy, I tell you that smell right there of pancake especially blueberry pancakes just knocked me back to being with my granddad fixing to go fishing. It’s amazing. I got to say this, it might be a good note to end on, but I just got wrapped around the axle talking earlier because you know, this man was so important to my life and I wonder all the time, he was so practical. I think this last story will kind of put it together from then and now why, I wonder so much, what this man who died in 1984. I wonder what he thinks of what I do now. I just want to because some of the, looking at those pictures and hearing those stories, they were big Canada goose hunters. Now this was back in the late 50s, 60s. He and his buddies, they were duck hunt over near McGehee Arkansas at one time. I know my dad and uncle growing up, they had bought a property, my granddad and his friends had bought a property from old catfish ponds and actually I think built a catfish like pond and made a stick pond and down the southern end of Washington County, I think, it’s now the refuge system, they call it R pond. And that’s what those boys grew up hunting. Still got that little five horse outboard mercury that they used on that lake. But they used to love to, my granddad especially later used to love shooting Canada geese and they would go, a lot of times they would launch in Lake Ferguson and a pretty big, I guess, like boat kind of like a yacht, but I don’t want to call a yacht makes you think of something, it was just a big wooden boat. Like what you might have seen running around the Mississippi sound back in those days but they would leave Lake Ferguson and then go down river south of Greenville and dig into a sand bar. And I don’t mean to say they just went out there on Saturday morning and came back Saturday evening because they didn’t. And I, later one day remember mimeograph machines back before Xerox used to put these little, type up something and put it on a round drum and have some ink and you turned it and flip that little copies of it, you know. I found mimeograph copies of a budget that they’re “Goose club” 5, 10 of them would get together and they had a budget. They had a meeting that’s probably just an excuse for, knowing what I know about how I live now they may just got together and played a hand of cards and talk about what they were going to do at goose camp, everybody “pay their dues” but I’ve never been like 5 pound of butter and a pound of and so many pounds of flour and I mean just a full blown kitchen budget and they would hire some local farm labor to come and dig the pits and build a blind. One time I got a picture from somewhere, they literally just the farm labor, so to speak, had literally just kind of built them a little cabin of sorts on the banks for them to stay in and they would spend a week or two and back in the days that the migratory geese would actually come to Mississippi still. I can recall one of really favorite picture from that area and my grandfather just looking at it. I would guess he was maybe my age, probably younger, he’s probably in his 40’s and he was on one of those high sandbars if you ever run down and Mississippi River you know what I’m talking about and you can tell it’s black and white picture, but you can tell that, you can just see the that north wind, you can tell a clipper is hit and it’s cutting them in half on that high bearing his fists balled up and he’s just, he’s looking at the picture, he’s wearing a canvas air force, you know, military grade, just a canvas jumpsuit. He had to been cold. I mean those old guys were tough now they didn’t have this modern day stuff, we wear today to stay warm, they were just out there roughing it and they loved every minute of it. And I can then recall later, you know, by the mid-70 by the time I was crawling up and down bowman boulevard mining, that little ditch for turtles. The geese weren’t coming like they used to and some of those men that he used to go up to Cairo, Illinois. You can’t find hardly geese and Cairo anymore. I went one time about 20 years ago and it was good. We shot our two geese and I shot a few black ducks and it was awesome crab orchard we went to, that was where they went back in the 70s as they go to spend a weekend, a three day weekend or so and they go to Cairo Illinois, to get on those Canada geese and now you can’t find them as far south as Cairo, you got to go further if at all you got in Canada I guess really where I go to shoot to migrator to Canada, maybe the Dakotas, but so much of that northern tier now is lead up with the resident birds, I don’t really know where the big migrators come. I know parts of Montana, Wyoming out west a little bit, but so maybe thinking that you know, maybe he would kind of see what I was doing and get it, but I just really can’t imagine such a practical old man, who wasn’t passionate about duck hunting, it’s just something they did. He wasn’t passionate about the hunting travel, it’s just something they did and it’s just a handful of pictures and a couple of photo albums, you know, just a handful of pictures. They weren’t passionate about, they just did it, they carried on with the rest of their lives. They had businesses, they built things, they socialized, they just did things besides hunt back in those days, not jumping ahead of the story. But I do recall one day, years and years later when everybody was uncertain whether I will be able to go to college. Let me tell you, he said one time, what would you do in college? I said, I don’t know, Forest and wildlife, I was his favorite son, I was his favorite grandchild I was the first, I was a favorite grandson. Boy, he had a finger about, I mean just a big old finger by the big around the roller quarter, he bumped my head my head, son, there’s only three reasons man go to college that’s business, law and medicine and Forestry isn’t one of them, that’s what he told me. I showed him then I later went did it. That’s the later part of the story, but maybe you know, back in his day, that generation of hunters, I don’t think he, have you ever wondered, what would your granddaddy think of today’s world that we’re all sitting here talking to the, to a lot of people, to a lot of listeners just be a cell phone. You know that, I don’t think he could have imagined that you could step onto a plane and fly across the world to go to sleep at night and wake up in duck season 365 days a year, your just a flight from duck season, you know, I don’t know what, and I certainly couldn’t have dreamed it back in those days because here we are during the wonder years, and I never killed a duck. I grew up all in it. The stories and his history, it was just unfortunate to me or for me that by the time I came along, my dad just didn’t hunt, he did it when he’s a kid, he didn’t carry anything forward. And my granddad was kind of my toehold into all this and yet his health had gotten enough that he just didn’t, he didn’t fool with it anymore. He just, I caught the very tail end of his hunting career really, all I know about his hunting career little as he talked about some of the stories growing up, but then just coming through his photo album, that was really kind of it.
Rocky Leflore: What do you think you’d say, Ramsey? What would you hope you’ll say, if you’d share a blind?
Ramsey Russell: I hope he’d be proud of me. Boy, I tell you what he would be about 110 now if he was still alive and I love to share a blind with him. I really would, I love to share blind with him according to my uncle and father at the time and to a lot of his friends, he was a good shot and I love to see, I’d love to see now. I love to see him shoot when he was a good shot. I think he’d be proud that I’m doing what I love and I’m succeeding, I think that, at the end of the day and we’ll get into that next time. I didn’t live a favorable childhood. I just didn’t, I was a very precocious child and I think he’d be just proud of to say I did anything, you know, that I had made it through the toll of time and had in fact gone to college and I will say this and this is much down the road. But he was an inspiration. He was a self-made man that came from a very poor family in a very poor, humble beginning and he made it, he made it because he worked hard and he applaud himself, he’s a detailed guy, looking a lot of his right and a lot of his business dealings he was square up and it was just, I think he’d be proud. I really do. I think he’d be proud to see it. I don’t think he could have imagined that Rocky, no, nobody who could have imagined even 30 years ago what the hunting “industry” and I’m not in the industry, but who would have even imagined it? You know, who would have imagined it?
Rocky Leflore: I’ll say this from every way that you’ve described him, his physical body may be dead, but his legacy lives on through you.
Ramsey Russell: And hearing Josh talk about his origins and his father and granddaddy, you know, it’s what I say, you know, it’s about the past, it’s just, wow. You know what, how we raise our children. You know, the things we do with our children. Josh, you had a thread the other day on Duck South about, you know, what are ways we can get children involved and how would you, what would you do? And you know, so many of the responses were books, you know, that’s just my granddad was big on books and reading and education. I broke his heart knows respect. But you know, it was the dip nets and those aquarium and the rays and turtles and snakes and the pellet gun days that really, got in the brain today.
Josh Webb: That struck me too on that and books have their place, absolutely. That did seem to be the most common answer. They definitely have their place. But like a lot of things in life experience is the best. And the thing about it is, you don’t have to just deer hunt. If you got a place to go, you got anywhere you go, you got a buddy’s place, no matter what it is, take your kids out there any time, any day, any month of the year and just go and let them find what they like. You know, they might not like to duck hunt, but they might love to squirrel and rabbit hunt. They might not like to the deer hunt with you. They might not like to fish with you, but they might love taking pictures of all of it. You just never know but you got to give him a chance. And especially when it comes outdoors because so, everything just gets turned into a blood, you know, pictures of nothing but blood and everything else on social media and then it gets shot down and then the mamas don’t want them going doing this and that and everything else and there’s so much more beauty and serenity to it out there that people just they overlooked way too much and that goes, and my constant frustration with people worried about the numbers of whatever it is that they’re killing and this younger generation, it scared me to death right now to be a, I mean, I’m just completely honest scared me to death to be a young teenager, 12, 13, 14 years old and if I didn’t have, because there’s a lot of them out there, if I didn’t have maybe if my dad or anybody in my family hunted, but my buddies did and I wanted to learn, I’d be scared to death to ask because all you ever see is, well if you’re not killing 150 inch deer, you’re not killing log piles full of green heads, then you’re just not ever going to do it right. I mean, that be intimidating as crap and –
Ramsey Russell: Hasn’t times changed. You know it has changed so much.
Josh Webb: Yeah.
Ramsey Russell: You know, something else, I’ll say, you know, I’ve said this a million times and I’ll say it again, I just as daddy very, very humbling experience to have a father and I’ll talk a lot more about that maybe later but one thing I’ve learned is, children spell love TIME. They, it’s time and that’s one thing to sum it up, his health may have failed, he may have been getting out of duck hunting, we didn’t deer hunt back in those days in the Delta, my family didn’t, but I got my granddad gave me time. It maybe just sitting around and listening to stories, maybe out in this little workshop, it maybe fishing, but it was time we had time and that was the most important thing and I just believe you know, some of my favorite times with my children and I’m getting to a point I’m not going to forget this, was when we would go out and just giving them because of my origins, giving my two little boys when they were babies just giving them a 5 ft. dip net. There was so much fun that they could entertain themselves for hours and just exploring those little wetlands at their level. I took Forrest, my oldest who is now 20, I took him fishing probably the first time he was two or three years old, he was a baby. We went to Mr. Billy Braid Grenada, we went out there to his place and he had a great little brim pond, I was working in Grenade at that time we brim fish and caught one right off the back and caught another before he was just tired of doing and getting whiny because like babies, he had to do, we quit and we spent that summer doing a lot of that fishing like that. But I realized I had not fished in years when I bought those crickets and we went out there and caught that brim and one thing I’ve learned and this is just to me, something I’ve learned is we daddies are so dogmatic were so emphatic about showing children the way and Lord knows they need to be shown the way. But it’s also very rewarding or at least it was for me to see the world through their eyes. Just, I dare you to go out on a hiking trail or to a ditch with a net and roll up your pant leg trousers and climb into it with a child with him seeing it for the first time and just try to see it from what they’re seeing. First fishing trips, fishing trips at all. Deer hunting, I mean, deer hunting is most boring thing on God’s Earth to me. I’m going to tell you for the world to say, I’m going to say right now if I didn’t have a cell phone signal that I could answer emails and texts and play on Facebook deer hunting, I’ve never deer hunted a day in my life. I just wouldn’t be, I get bored here just sitting in a four square walls deer hunting until I started having my kids and we sit there and I’d bring some coloring books and then a whole bunch of powder white doughnuts and things of that nature and we talk and visit and just get to see it all through their eyes, you know, again and it just, it really, that was their wonder year but as they were going through theirs, I got to go a lot through it with them and that was a very rewarding part of having kids having boys or girls either one and showing them this thing we do. You know we’ve got to get kids involved with this thing, you know, we are we hunters, there’s so many divisive forces and social media is one of them, there are so many personalities without saying no name, you all know who I’m talking about, that are absolutely trying to divide this thing of ours and we’ve got so few hunters right now. We don’t need fewer hunters in this world, we need 10 times as many, a 100 times as many and anything we can do to give a child’s toehold into that from turtles or hunting or fishing or dead gum it, you know, if that’s their thing, if you just want to go out and collect flowers, it doesn’t matter just getting kids outside and getting them to see and value something outside in the real world. That’s kind of been my take home message, having raised children. But I think, it’s just going back to the whole experience, you know, just being at camp and being among people and just going out in the field and having a good time that we tend to miss too much of and getting on the kid thing, boy, wouldn’t I like to spend time with my grandfather for that matter my daddy, you know, my uncle now is probably crawling 70 years old, he hadn’t duck hunting in forever. I don’t remember duck hunt in my lifetime, but he’s dying to go this year and I’m determined to get him out in the duck blind, just spend some time with him and I’m sure being in a duck blind shooting a few ducks, probably not, there’s just a lot of stories from him, I’m dying to hear. You know, a lot of stories I hadn’t heard and I’m really looking forward to hear that with him and I noticed raising children, especially when they got older, my boys and were kind of in that high school age, they’re busy with school, they’re busy with sports, I’m busy, we’re all busy and you go on the duck hunt, boy, we all want to look like all them Facebook pictures we’re just the crack rack is sagging with just straps full of heavy ducks but you know that ain’t the way, that’s not reality, that’s not every day. There’s those days you shoot a bunch, there’s those days you don’t, most days are those in between days where you just go duck hunting and shoot some ducks. As much fun as it is to pull the trigger with ducks coming in and the wing beats and the splashing on the water and the dogs retrieving the guns going off and that’s not what it’s about man. What I realized when my oldest son was a senior in high school, was how great the Lord was, because we just naturally talked about things, we never talked about, things we needed to talk about. He’s fixing to go to college. He’s fixing to graduate school. He, there was a lot of things going on in that young man’s life that and you just don’t talk around the television set. You don’t talk about at a football game. You talk about when it’s just you two sitting in a duck blind and the ducks aren’t flying right then you’re waiting. That’s really what it’s all about life. You know, I was talking to somebody earlier today about their business, about building a business and you know, life in the top of the mountain, is to climb. It’s walking up that side. It’s a whole experience and not just sitting on the table, sit on top of the mountain all day. I don’t want to walk up it. And life is kind of the same way and just to be able to be out at duck camp eating dinner cooking dinner or sitting in a deer stand whispering to you boys man, that’s just where you really, I don’t know that, at least in my lifetime, that’s where I really got to meet people and know people and especially my own kids in a way and boy you bet I’d love to share a duck hunt with my granddad again, that would just be amazing.
Rocky Leflore: Well, Ramsey, we have come to the end of the line today, I have enjoyed it. It has been, you know, I thought it was appropriate time to bring that story out about Josh there’s a lot of people don’t know about Josh. Man, Josh had to become a man real early in his family, real early in his life and being a part of a family, so and now I don’t mean to, with any kind of way take away from your story but it has been a, it’s been a great podcast. I want to thank you again for being here and taking time out of your busy schedule to tell this story because it’s really, look we’ve laid out the nuts and bolts, but it’s about to get really good. You know, there’s a certain line of topics that Ramsey and I have gone over that we’re going to talk about in this, this thing is going to be unbelievable over the, Ramsey, been through a lot and been a blessed man coming through some of the things he’s been through. But Ramsey, thank you again, Josh, thank you. Want to thank all of you that listen to this edition of the End of the line podcast, powered by DuckSouth.com.
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