EP 557. Taking Kids Hunting Never Better: Grow-With-You Clothing Line

“Welcome back to Mojo’s Duck Season Somewhere podcast where today I have got David and Camille Kent in the mobile studio, and I’m reminded of freezing my butt off when I was a child going duck hunting.”

Ramsey Russell: Welcome back to Mojo’s Duck Season Somewhere podcast where today I have got David and Camille Kent in the mobile studio, and I’m reminded of freezing my butt off when I was a child going duck hunting. In fact, I can remember I wasn’t even a baby child. I don’t know, 11 years old when a relative was going to stick me up in the top of a fork in a tree to go deer hunting. It was a cold morning, ground was frozen, and it was cold. I did get my first deer, little old doe yearling. And my hunting clothes consisted of a pair of five-and-dime heavy cotton, kind of waffle cotton long johns, the first pair I ever owned, whatever pair of blue jeans or something I had at the time, a pair of pointy-toe cowboy boots that I wore to school, and an old canvas coat that had belonged to my grandmother, was the best thing in the family that fit me. And that was it. You all better believe I froze my butt off. But times have changed. I mean, hunting clothes have changed, and there are a lot of great space-age options to keep us warm and dry, and keep us in the outdoors and functional. But you know what’s always been a problem as a daddy, and this is where I’m getting on point with today’s topic, as a dad myself that could not wait to drag my children out into the duck blind, and all you daddies know exactly what I’m talking about, we want to take our kids out there with us. It’s pretty tough trying to get them fitted and keep them dry. And there’s only so far a dollar will go. Buy the best you want to, man. But if you’re outfitting a 5-year-old and a 6-year-old and a 10-year-old and a 15-year-old, every time you blink your eyes, they’re growing leaps and bounds. And so they just keep outgrowing these clothes. I’ve got closets full, trunks full of clothes for my grandkids. But anyway, to the rescue for guys like me, of course, my kids are grown, they’re on their own now, but for you guys that do have children, you moms and dads that do have children, there is a very exciting option out there, Bow and Arrow Outdoors, that David and Camille Kent have founded, and they’re going to tell us all about them and all about their product today. David, Camille, how the heck are you all? Good to see you.

Camille Kent: Thank you so much for having us. We’re doing really well. Excited for the new year. A little sad that duck season in Louisiana has ended, but looking forward to next year.

Ramsey Russell: Oh yeah. How about you, David? I have a bittersweet ending at the end of duck season. On the one hand, well, it’s over in the United States until next year. But on the other hand, it’s over. Thankfully, guys, it’s a grind, man.

David: I have the same feeling. It’s always good when it comes. I hate to see it go. But there’s always the anticipation of next year.

Ramsey Russell: And there’s a lot to do between now and next year, normally.

Camille Kent: Yes.

Ramsey Russell: Heck, I’ll spend a week or two just getting stuff cleaned and sorted and put back up and kind of in its place so I can find it next year when the season starts. What is you all’s history? How did you all grow up? Where and how did you all grow up? You all are married now, but how long you all known each other and how did you all grow up, where did you all grow up?

David: So, Ramsey, I grew up in kind of two places. I moved in third grade. So the first place I lived was in Prattville, Alabama. Then third grade, I moved over to Demopolis. So I grew up having some access to some different hunting areas. For the most part, I grew up a deer hunter. Didn’t really grow up a deer shooter, grew up a deer hunter. One of my most memorable things was the day I shot my first deer. Kind of like you, I was bundled up in whatever we could have. Maybe I had some coveralls. Maybe those had come along by that point. I don’t remember exactly, but I remember freezing to death out there. And the guy I was sitting with, my dad, and my brother was hunting with one of my dad’s friends. And the guy had given us some hot hands. The only way I made it through that hunt was those hot hands. We got them warm, stuck them down in my boots. My toes were freezing off. Had a doe come out, which was the first deer I’d ever seen. I think I was in second grade at the time. Second or third grade. I don’t remember exactly. But had a doe come out and that was a days where you had to have a doe tag and we didn’t have a doe tag. So I was trying to convince my dad that doe was growing antlers. I’m saying, “Daddy, no, it’s got antlers. It’s a spike.” He’s like, “No, David, it’s not.” I was just excited for seeing a deer for my first time. And then 30 minutes later, out comes a little fork horn, four-point. That was the biggest deer I’d ever seen in my entire life. Got to shoot it that day. And from then on, I was hooked. Primarily deer hunter. Got to do some dove hunting, got to do some quail hunting. Did a lot of pond fishing. Across the street from my grandma’s house and my cousins, they had a probably 2-acre little fish pond. That was the best fishing pond in the entire world for a little kid. You take one brim off the hook, the hook would fall in between the cracks on the dock, and you’d have another fish by the time you were done putting the first one in the basket. I was spoiled in that sense of having some good fishing and just spending time outdoors.

Ramsey Russell: You bring back a lot of fond memories. Your boyhood sounds a lot like mine, only I didn’t really start deer hunting until I guess I was 12 or 13, on that hunt I just told about. First off, I guess there’s a statute of limitations. It never occurred to me if the deer I shot was legal. I didn’t know I was deer hunting. I was by myself, stuck up in a tree and saw a deer and shot. Maybe it was doe day, maybe that’s why they invited me on that day. We certainly didn’t have doe seasons like we do now, not here in the Deep South. Somebody asked me the other day, I was sending them some video of a food plot I was hunting last week, and there was a dozen deer, little rack bucks and stuff out there. They were asking me about it in text message. I’m like, man, state of Mississippi has got, in places, a deer per acre or two. Very high deer density in parts of the Mississippi Delta. It wasn’t the case back when I grew up, and that’s over in hill country. When you talk about Demopolis, by the time I got to college, I had made some friends and was going over to not too far from Demopolis, Alabama, and it was a deer heaven. That old white chalk soil out there on the prairie, it wasn’t a matter of if I was going to see a deer, it was just a matter of if I was going to shoot a deer, anytime I got in a stand over there. Some of the biggest bucks I’ve ever seen in my life in the Deep South were over there. It was exciting. You always saw a lot of deer hunting those bean fields and those evergreen thickets and stuff like that. It was some exciting times. It’s good deer country over there to grow up. What about you, Camille? Are you a hunter and fisherman? Did you grow up hunting and fishing? Because I can’t imagine that the offspring of my buddy Greg Moolah did not hunt or fish.

Camille Kent: I did. I actually grew up duck hunting in south Louisiana with my dad. He, My brother, and I would go every morning in duck season. Our big thing was he would take us to this little hole-in-the-wall gas station, get us French vanilla coffee and powdered donuts, and then we would get out there. He loved taking me because if he ever brought his daughter or one of the three of us, he got first pick of the blinds. That’s how I kind of got into it. He was like, somebody has to come with me.

Ramsey Russell: Wait a minute, wait a minute, back up. So if he brought his kids, he got first pick of the blind?

Camille Kent: He did. They did a lottery system where you pulled cards, and the highest card went first.

Ramsey Russell: Unless you had a kid?

Camille Kent: If you had a kid, you could go. Specifically a girl. If they brought the little girls, they would just kind of let them.

Ramsey Russell: Well yeah. You didn’t have no choice but to go. He had to get the pick of the blind every time.

Camille Kent: Like, get up and let’s go.

Ramsey Russell: Oh, Greg is smarter than he looks sometimes. And I’m saying that because I know he’s listening.

Camille Kent: So we grew up doing that, my brother and I, and I just fell in love with it. I tell David, to this day, my favorite memories are just watching the sunrise over the Louisiana marsh as the ducks are coming in. There’s no feeling like it.
Ramsey Russell: And eating those powdered donuts.
Camille Kent: Oh, that absolutely helped. That and the warm coffee. To this day, when our son goes hunting with either one of us, we always have powdered donuts. It’s kind of the staple to have, just because that’s what I grew up having. It’s nostalgic for me. So I want to pass that memory on with my kids.
Ramsey Russell: Powdered donuts are like the quintessential, perfect duck blind food, especially if you’ve got kids. I guess when I started taking my children hunting, I can remember sitting out there all day. Maybe my cousin, as I grew up a little bit older, my cousin dropped me off in the morning and came to pick me up at dark. I starved to death. Maybe I put a peanut butter sandwich in my pocket or a bologna sandwich or something, but it was tough times. So when I had my kids, I felt like, by the time I was in my 30s and had these two little boys, and sometimes my daughter wanted to go to the blind, I just felt like I had to keep them warm, dry, and fed. We would run by the Little Debbie aisle, and I had gotten this little soft-side ice chest that I won as a door prize or something at a Ducks Unlimited banquet. You ask my kids about some of their most indelible memories of their childhood, and they talk about the camo snack bag.
Camille Kent: That’s hysterical.
Ramsey Russell: We always bought the big, not the little sleeves of donuts, the big bags, sometimes the chocolate, but always the white powdered. They liked the little Nutty Buddy bars, and we just loaded up and then off we go. Taking them, that was my secret weapon. Taking a child deer hunting, they want to whisper, talk, fidget, move. Kids are kids, they want to do stuff before they’re hunters. I wanted them to be a part of it, but my secret weapon with that little snack bag was that, plus a bottle of milk. Not a milk bottle like a baby drink, I mean get a quart of milk or chocolate milk.
Camille Kent: There you go.
Ramsey Russell: We’d get there early enough, say 3:00, 2:45. Maybe they had their coloring books or their PlayStations, and you get them going and just start plowing with all those sugar-laden foods and that milk. By about 4, 4:30, by the time it got to the magic time, they were conked out. They looked like a litter of puppies laid out on the floor. Things were quiet enough that maybe a deer would step out.
Camille Kent: There you go.
David: Oh yeah.
Ramsey Russell: That’s bringing back some good memories. Taking kids hunting is not as simple as it seems. It’s really not. Greg and I go step in the duck blind, we pull up, we get our stuff ready, we ready to go. Yep. And we step off in the boat and off we go. Because we’re grown men, we’re adults, we’ve done it. But when you’re taking children, you’ve got to do everything two or three times as much. Three guns, three boxes of shotgun shells, three of this, three dry socks. Everybody’s got to be warm and dry. It’s a  daunting process. The whole time you’re trying to get sorted, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy. Hey, keep out of the mud puddle. Quit doing this. Quit doing that. Just trying to keep everything safe and happy.
Camille Kent: Yes.
Ramsey Russell: I can remember one time, oh boy, the boys have told this story, so I’ll tell it on them. I had this old black lab named Delta. One of the best dogs I ever had. I loved her. She died at age nine. Back in the four-wheeler days, now we’ve got these quads, like go-kart looking things, but this was four-wheeler days. The boys were on back of the deer rack, the dog in the middle. That Delta dog, she was driven. It’s like she just, when it was go time, no matter how many times you let her out to do her business while we’re all getting suited up back at camp, she always waited, it seemed like, till we were halfway to the dog stand or the duck blind to do her morning constitution right there in the middle of the boys. So we’d have to stop, get everything cleaned off. That’s one of their memories too. They weren’t thinking about those powdered donuts when Delta did her business right in the black dark, running down a muddy road. But anyway, it’s always daunting. Do you remember your first duck, Camille? Beside the powdered donut, do you remember actually your first duck with Greg?
Camille Kent: Yes. I believe I was around 12. I know it was around then. I wasn’t a teenager yet. My dad loves to shoot. He loves to just get up there and get the ducks. I think he just sat and said, “You know what, today’s your day.” I think it took me two or three tries, and then finally one just came in. It was a little nothing duck, not a beautiful one or trophy one, but I just remember being so excited because it was something. You go practice, shoot skeet, do all these things to get ready, and the adrenaline kicks in, in the moment, you don’t realize and you just throw the gun up with a prayer. I was so excited, and there was no contesting it, it was mine. So it was a fun, proud moment feeling. The same whenever I got my first deer, I was with my husband. Actually, last two years ago?

David: Yeah

Camille Kent: It was that same feeling, that proud moment of, “Oh wow, this is really cool.” I hope I can experience that with my kids someday.
Ramsey Russell: David, how did an Alabama boy get into duck hunting? Did you duck hunt in Alabama, or was it after you met the Moulays that you got into duck hunting?
David: It was after I met Camille for the most part. I will say this, in college I did, I’ll call it a duck hunt because we were shooting, pass-shooting wood ducks. They were just going to roost at the end of the afternoon. Me and a couple of my buddies went and shot a few. But really it was meeting Camille and Doc and coming down here to Louisiana. I’ll tell you one thing, Ramsey, I’m a competitive person, and I like shooting. Deer hunting, okay, a great deer hunt, you get to shoot one time.
Ramsey Russell: That’s right.
David: On a good duck hunt, if you’re shooting well, you can shoot six times, probably more like a box of shells or so. The first time I really went, it was at the farm. We had gone one day and hadn’t shot anything. The next day, Doc and I were hunting together. We moved around a couple of spots and then got to where the ducks and pintails wanted to be. One of the first ducks came in. He goes to throw up and I go to throw up at the same time. I don’t know if I shot the duck before he did or what, but he looked over at me and said, “Oh, you can shoot a little bit.” From then on, what I do, deer hunting is fun, it’s easy to take the kids. But if I can only choose one, I’m choosing duck hunting, 10 out of 10 times.
Ramsey Russell: Same here, same here. Talking about that one and done, now with this DMAP (Deer Management Assistance Program) and doe management, intensive management, at our camp, we shoot a very limited number of spikes, not above the ear. Just real low-hanging fruit. In the past, I’m reminded at camp, sometimes I run out of daylight before I run out of bullets. I do take that doe management seriously enough to go out and shoot more than once on occasion in the interest of deer management. How many children do you all have?

Camille Kent: We have two. A little boy who’s six, and then a little girl. Oh, he’s about to be six, excuse me. And then a little girl who’s three.
Ramsey Russell: And do they go to the blind with you all yet?
Camille Kent: They do. Our daughter loves it.
Ramsey Russell: Really?
Camille Kent: If her brother goes hunting and she’s not there, she throws an absolute fit. She loves to wear her camo. It’s funny. We were going to church. David had taken Davey hunting over Martin Luther King weekend, and Sophie and I stayed back. She was so upset she didn’t go. So to church on Sunday, she told me, “I’m wearing my camo because I’m going to pretend like I’m going hunting at church.” And I said, “Okay, there you go, there you go. Wear your camo.”
David: She’s got a pink dress, pink skirt, and camo.
Camille Kent: Camo shirt. She sure did. But they love it. They love to be outside. We really foster that spirit of just being outdoors. And even in the back of our house, we have like a wooded area. We’ll set out turkey chairs, fake deer blinds, just to year-round foster that spirit of just wanting to be outside and that love of it.
Ramsey Russell: We all want our kids to hunt with us. We all want to take them and pass on this tradition of ours to our family hunt and to share it. But very seriously, is there anywhere else that you all spend time with your kids that you can connect with them better than hunting? Have you ever thought about that? I mean, your kids are fixing to get into Little League age and stuff like that. You’re not going to be able to connect with them and sit in a blind and talk to them about life, when they’re in the dugout getting ready, warming up and pitching and playing.
Camille Kent: I would agree that hunting, I look at my relationship with my dad, and we grew up hunting and fishing together, and some of the best conversations we’ve had have been in a deer or a duck blind, because we leave technology behind and it’s just us. I’ll never forget the first time I brought David to the farm. My dad actually took me deer hunting, and we didn’t even hunt. We sat the whole time talking about David and what I saw my future looking like. I think that’s why my dad and I are so close, because of those cherished moments where there’s just us and there’s just hunting. It’s a special connection that we have. So I would agree. And I believe that for my kids as well. There’s no distractions. We’re there, and it’s a common bond of more than just, we believe it’s more than just getting an animal. We’re trying to foster creating, stewarding the land, we’re hunting this for our food. This is what we eat, and we need to be appreciative of that. So we cherish those moments with our kids as much as I cherish them with my dad.

Ramsey Russell: Yeah. As much as I froze my tail off a few times as a child, wearing hand-me-down clothes that belonged to my grandmother 30 years ago, uninsulated boots, cotton long johns, and blue jeans, I guess I’ve always been hard-headed. I guess I just stuck with it. But it’s hard enough to get children, today’s children were not children back in the 1970s and 1980s like myself. There’s so much competing for their time. Like you talk about technology, the phones, the computers, the Game Boys, it’s all competing for their time. Then they’ve got sports, and sports is not like baseball anymore. For a lot of kids, it’s not just going out for six or seven weeks in the summer and playing Little League. Man, it’s a year-round pursuit, soccer or all this stuff, it’s just competing for time. Compared to being cold and miserable in a duck blind with Daddy, why would I do that? If I were cold and miserable, why would I continue doing that? I got a funny story. One of my favorite memories taking Forrest hunting one time. We were staying at this bunkhouse at camp, and he and I went over, we had a place to ourselves. A friend of mine from work was going to show up and hunt with me the next morning. Instead of having twice as much to do, because I still had to get up, feed the dog, get everything ready, blah blah blah, well, he’s old enough to go, he can dress himself. So I literally started on the empty bunk on the left side and said, “Here’s your first layer, here’s your second layer, here’s your sweatpants, here’s your sweatshirt, here’s your jacket, here’s your pants, here’s your waders. Just start here and go down the line and you’re ready.” By the time I got everything done, he was done way ahead of me. He was underfoot like my dog. Here I am, still trying to get dressed, he’s underfoot, he’s got his waders on. It was one of the best waders I’d ever spent money on. It was a tiny little pair of LaCrosse 5 mil neoprene that all three of my kids ended up wearing. We go out and it’s 50 degrees. There’s a few ducks around. We’re chipping away at it for a cloudy day, and his teeth start chattering. I’m like, “Man, are you okay?” He was cold, and we had to kind of call the hunt because he just got cold.
Camille Kent: Yeah.
Ramsey Russell: And anytime a child says, “I want to go back,” you’ve got to go back. You’ve got to pull the plug. That’s the downside. If you take a child hunting and they’re ready to go back, you better take them back. We get back. I’m thinking, “Man, I need to get him warmed up or maybe check the waders for leaks or whatever it was.” When we got to camp, he pulled his waders off, and he’d gone straight from his tighty-whities. He had put on a sweatshirt and skipped everything lined up. I get there, there’s the bunk, and I didn’t check, everything was laying on the bed still, except for his waders. He literally walked to the bed, pulled on his waders, and said, “Dad, I’m ready to go.”

Camille Kent: Oh, my. That’ll do it.
Ramsey Russell: It’ll do it every time.
Camille Kent: Every time.
Ramsey Russell: We were telling this story recently, I think about a coat, a famous coat, and it was one of the first coats. And I tried to buy the best clothing I could. Sitka didn’t exist. And the truth is, had Sitka existed, I didn’t have $500 to spend on a size 8 for an 8-year-old. Because, like I said in the lineup, I mean, these kids, and you all know this already, I mean, it’s like every week they grow a size. I mean, by the time they get to junior high, Anita and I had a plan. It was just a rule in our house, when you stop to get gas, you pass by the grocery store, you buy two gallons of milk. I mean, it just, two gallons of milk a day just disappears when you’ve got three kids in the house. And that converts into them growing an inch or two every night they go to sleep, and it’s just hard to keep up with them. And I went out and bought Forrest this jacket. I think it was called a Hushin’ Hide. It was just because it was kind of quiet, it wasn’t scratchy if we went deer hunting. It was waterproof, or water-resistant, if you want to call it that. It was a nice camo coat, man. Mossy Oak Bottomland, the whole nine yards. And, well, I mean, let’s say he’s a small. Well, he’ll grow into it. He’s got a lot of growing to do. And I can cinch it up and do this and do that. And I bought him that large, and he swears to God it still fits him today, 20 years later. But buy once and forget about it. They’ll grow into it. It’s hard to keep kids fitted.
Camille Kent: It is.

“Our concept is a grow-with-you system, which starts from five years old all the way to 18.”

Ramsey Russell: How did you all come up with this concept in children’s clothing? How did you all come up with it for your children to be so young? You all haven’t spent just a decade out in the field with them, but how did you all come up with this idea of a clothing line that grows with the kids? Whose idea was it? I’m assuming yours, Camille.
Camille Kent: It was. Yes, it was. I called David one day at work and said, I have an idea. I was on maternity leave with our daughter, and I just want you to think about it. Don’t shoot it down. Think about it all day. We have a nephew and two nieces that are older than our kids, and they had started to get into hunting at this time. This was years ago. I was watching what my dad was buying for them and what their parents were getting them. And speaking as cold, leaving a hunt early, when I was little, I made my dad leave a hunt as the ducks were pouring in because I was cold. And I did not want them to go through that. Especially having had a little girl and having two nieces, I really wanted something that was for girls. There wasn’t a lot of options other than just going to buy camo in pink.

And so we started to think about, from a parent’s perspective, if we’re going to make kids’ hunting clothes, what do we want from a parent’s perspective and from a kid’s perspective? And so we just started talking and then started talking with them and just designing from there. It just kind of was really born out of seeing this younger generation starting to come up and realizing we want something for our kids. So let’s get this in the process, and let’s get it going. That way, when they’re ready, we’re ready to go.
Ramsey Russell: How long did you have to think about that, David?
David: I don’t remember. I was like, okay, because we’re both CPAs. And I’m like, well, I don’t really know anything about making clothes. I do know stuff about hunting. I know about being cold. Let’s look in the market. Let’s do a market analysis. See what all is out there for kids. So we started looking. We went to the Academies, to the Bass Pros, to wherever. There may be one little B rack for kids. And just looking at it, I’m like, man, okay, it may look nice, but it just doesn’t seem like it’s really going to keep a kid warm. I want, from it’s 30 degrees outside or 70 degrees outside, I want my kids to be comfortable out there. The more I looked and did some research, I said, there is this need out there. It was around the time of COVID, and the hunting industry had seen a big boom. One thing you could do was get outdoors. So once we did that and kind of saw what was out there, or really what wasn’t out there, we said, let’s do it.
Ramsey Russell: What did you do? I mean, where did you start? What was your first product?
Camille Kent: Well, our first product was actually T-shirts. We just kind of wanted to do a friends and family. But where we started was honestly getting in touch with Mossy Oak. I grew up hunting in Shadow Grass. David grew up hunting in Bottomland. We knew that’s what we wanted. And shout out to them, they really helped us, pointed us in some good directions, and gave us some good contacts. Then from there, we reached out to Auburn University’s design school.
Ramsey Russell: Really?
Camille Kent: Yes.
David: I went to Auburn, and I knew we had a good fashion design, apparel design, merchandising program. So I called up there during the summertime. I thought there may not be anybody there. I actually spoke to the department head at the time. They said, actually, yes, we have an alum, she’s worked in the fashion industry for 20 years, and she’s kind of going off on her own and helps people come up with technical designs, helps out with the manufacturing process, all of that. You ought to give her a call and see if she could help you all out. Sure enough, we got in touch with her, gave her our ideas. We went out and found different clothes and, okay, what do we want our pants to look like? What do we want our jacket to look like? What features do we want? We knew we wanted X, Y, and Z. We wanted it to be adjustable for the kids. So we’ve got to have elastic pull strings around the waist area so you can buy it big. We’ve got to have the Velcros. One thing our kids love the most, he calls it his pirate glove. So it has a thumb hole extender coming through the jacket sleeves.
Camille Kent: And the reasoning for that was twofold. The kids like it. But also, from a parent’s perspective, when Davey sticks his hand in a bag or goes to do something, the jacket rides up. But if he’s got the thumb holed in, the jacket stays put. It’s not constantly riding up his arm. We were trying to think of the perspective from what a kid would want, but the functionality for a parent. So that’s really where we had a lot of fun, talking with our nieces, nephew, and other kids that were hunting. What do you all like? What do you want in a hunting jacket? That’s kind of where we started.
Ramsey Russell: It’s very important that it grows with them and that it fits for what they are. Going back to that famous hunting coat, I’ll never forget hunting one afternoon with a group of men and Forrest. I think Duncan was there. It was cold. A north wind blowing. Even though the sun was out, it was cold. I noticed that Forrest had his jacket off and he was just a tad uncomfortable. I said, son, put your coat back on. He would not put it back on, because he realized, just because it was so oversized, that he couldn’t mount his gun as quickly as he needed to, to get the shot off. He would rather sit there and be miserable than put that oversized coat on.
Camille Kent: Oh, I can see that. Whenever we’re at shows, and it’s so funny, this is my favorite part of what we do meeting the families and showing them how our products work. We’re so passionate about it. When we’re at a show and we tell a dad, it grows with you, they look at us like we’re crazy. But I’ll show them the jacket, a big jacket, two sizes bigger than the kid, and we’ll put it on the little one if they let us. And the kid is like, it’s too big, dad. Then we show them how it cinches. By the end of it, the kid is so excited. We had one kid at NWTF last year who started crying because they didn’t want to take it off. That was our big thing, if we’re going to make it grow with them, I don’t want the child to feel like the jacket is too big. I want to work with them and show them, this is how we make it fit you so you’re comfortable as a kid. But mom and dad, it does grow with them. You can get a couple of years out of it. That’s our big thing. We don’t want you to buy it every year. We want you to pass it down to your kids, because our goal is your kids want to wear the jacket, and they want to go with you. That’s our goal.

Ramsey Russell: That’s the whole big deal. I mean, you all nailed it. They’re gonna outgrow it. You want to take them, they’ve got to be warm and dry. And, man, to get two years out of it, there’s so much stuff I’ve got to buy. I’ve got to buy another shotgun. I’ve got to buy another blind bag. I’ve got to buy more bullets. And, buddy, let me tell you what those kids go through some bullets don’t think, they don’t. And they have no restraint. They just want to hear the gun go boom. I can remember seeing my kids shelling out at ducks at 110 yards, long after the ducks had turned into the wind and were gone. Let me tell you how to fix that. Make them come into the season with their own bullets. Once they have to buy their own ammo, they start to throttle back and exercise a little judiciousness in trigger pulls. We would go, by the time Forrest and Duncan were in junior high school, the cost-share dad rule was this, you have to come into the season with your first case of shells, and beyond that, it’s all on me. But back in those days, we might be duck hunting, dove hunting enough in September that they’d go through most of those shells. So by the time duck season came and steel shot, it was all on Dad. But that’s okay. It taught them very quickly to start throttling back. When it’s their money going out the end of that gun barrel, they’re not quite as liberal with it as when it’s my money, when it’s me buying the shells. They’re throwing them shells at ducks like Mardi Gras beads. Just throwing them out at everything. Yeah, that’s the way that works. How did you all come up with the name Bow and Era Outdoors?

Camille Kent: So I wanted a name that was for girls and boys. I didn’t want it to be just, oh, do you think of this for little boys? Think of this for little girls? So the name actually represents bow for little girls, like bows, and arrows for little boys.

Ramsey Russell: Okay.

Camille Kent: I wanted it to be something like that. We tested it out with a bunch of different people, and everyone thought it was a fun outdoor name that was kind of different. So that’s where the idea came from. We just wanted it to be something that represented boys and girls.

Ramsey Russell: It’s important that we get the girls involved, isn’t it? You’re living proof of that.

Camille Kent: Yes. And that’s one of my biggest things. I want little girls to go to our website or to come see us at shows and feel like they have something for them. It’s not just for their brother. They have a piece they can wear that’s not just pink camo. It’s a jacket that they can make.

Ramsey Russell: Do you all sell pink camo at all?

Camille Kent: We don’t. Well, one of our loungewear sets has some pink on the shoulder and the pants, but other than that, just the logo is pink on the actual camo.

Ramsey Russell: I can see that. I’ve always felt like if I were a true lady hunter and wanted to show the world that I’m a hunter, I could wear some pink camo. But pink camo with a lot of different products, to me, kind of struck me at a glance as one of the biggest insults to a female hunter.

Camille Kent: I always just wanted to be in the camo like my dad.

Ramsey Russell: Exactly. Hunters need camo. Not a fashion statement. We need camouflage.

Camille Kent: We wanted camouflage. So that’s what we went for. Let’s make a little nod if they want pink. But it’s funny, a lot of our girls love the orange, so it’s interesting what they’re picking. That’s why we have the options, so they can choose what they like.

Ramsey Russell: Go ahead.

David: Story on the logo colors. So it was, I guess, our first year in production and having stuff. It may have been our pre-production year. We were actually at Oak Grove with my nieces, and we were going to go on a boat ride in the afternoon. They didn’t have any warm clothes or anything. So we had our stuff there. We’re like, here, put this on. And my niece Quinn, she’s like, I don’t want to wear that. That’s boys. So I turned around and showed her the logo color. She was like, oh, it’s pink. Give it to me. So she’s putting it on and happy as a jaybird.

Camille Kent: Yeah.

Ramsey Russell: Heck yeah. So how long have you all been doing this now? Four or five years?

David: We started initial design, I think, in 2020.

Camille Kent: Yes. We started selling in 2022. This July, selling will be three years.

Ramsey Russell: Okay, fantastic. What is driving your product development? Like, okay, so you started with a coat or a pair of bibs. And how do you begin? You said with a T-shirt, just casual wear. But what was your first product that was field-worthy, warm, dry, and adaptable? Was it a jacket or was it bibs?

Camille Kent: So we actually did our first product run with medium-weight, heavyweight jackets. Medium or heavyweight jacket and pants. Medium-weight jackets and pants. We did the whole run, quarter zip, pullover, dry-fit shirts. And we did it in youth sizes. Youth, probably 8 to 14, were the ages we went from.

Ramsey Russell: And what size is that? I’m a dad. So what do we call the youth small, medium, large?

Camille Kent: Youth small to youth extra large, probably around a six-year-old. Then it really depended on the child when you aged out. From there, what drove us was at all of the consumer shows, every parent wanted toddler stuff. So we started working on getting our products to be adjustable to fit toddlers so we could sell you a youth small jacket for your four-year-old. Then we went into making our toddler pullovers and short sleeve shirts. From there, we went to our toddler overalls, which actually launched in July of 2024, and we can’t keep them on the shelves. The parents, the toddler market, is where it is for us. So we’re in production for some, well, I say production, we’re in testing right now for another product for toddlers that we’re going to hopefully launch next year. We really listen to the market. We listen to what our stores are asking for. We tell every parent at a consumer show, what do you want? What do you want for your kids? What do you see? What is the need that you see? Because we’re here for you. We want you to have a good experience with your kid. What can we do for you? So that’s really what guides us in our next decision of where we want to take it and how we want to grow it.

Ramsey Russell: When you talk about the size of small, medium, large, extra-large youth, what ages are we talking about?

Camille Kent: It really depends on the kid.

Ramsey Russell: On average. Two or three sets of clothes would get them through the whole range until they’re in.

Camille Kent: Probablyso. Our son, last year, was five, and we had him in a size 10 jacket, medium weight, and then size 8 pants. We can shrink him down. Our whole run will probably take him through, he might be a teenager. Our son is really tiny. But I’d say probably average, you’re getting about 12. I’d agree with that, about 12 years old for your average size.

Ramsey Russell: So three purchases, which is great if I start with my oldest child because I’ve got two or three more children coming behind. I’m looking at 10, 15 years. That jacket I buy for child number one is going to get me 10 or 15 years into it with all my kids.

David: It may not even have to be three.

Ramsey Russell: Well, it might not have to be, yeah.

David: You have a three-year-old. You buy them the size 8 jacket and pants. Then by the time they’re getting out of that, you go ahead and size up to the extra-large.

Camille Kent: Yeah.

David: And then you can get another four or five years out of that.

Ramsey Russell: See, that’s what I’m trying to get. That’s what I’m trying to ask, like from toddler until whatever, until they get into adult sizes. I’m just trying to wonder what the minimum, like, what would be the, if I buy something that fits a toddler, how long might he be, on average, before he outgrows it? And then my next size, how far before he outgrows it? Could be just two or three jumps.
David: Yeah, I think it, yeah, I would say a toddler, you buy for a four-year-old, they grow out of the size eight probably when they’re about seven or eight, and then you go ahead and buy the size 14, and they’re in it till they’re, you know, 12.
Ramsey Russell: Okay.
Camille Kent: You could, yeah.
David: So, yeah.
Ramsey Russell: Like, if I go to a retail store and buy another product that is a large or a youth medium, that’s a youth medium, you all just more, you all just really, like you don’t have a youth medium. You’ve got a youth medium to large. Is that’s kind of how you’re, you, how many, well, code. Let me ask, let me ask another way. How many jackets do you have in these sizes? Like, from toddler to size extra-large in youth? How many products do you have? Three, Four? That would cover that whole range?
David: Yeah, four sizes.
Ramsey Russell: Okay. Okay. That’s what I was trying to get at. So that’s really, especially if you, if I’d started off with Force and then gone through Duncan and gone through Parker like I did with that pair of waders, I really just had to buy one and done. I mean, I’d have bought one and done. And I’m done, you know, because every two or three years I’m just passing along.
Camille Kent: Yeah, that’s what you do. And that’s what one of the dads, might have been Delta last year, actually, we had put his daughter, I always start two sizes bigger. I always say that’s your base. And then the dad actually wanted to go, his daughter was four, and we put her in a size 12. Now it was big on her. The size 10 fit real well on her. But he wanted to go to the size 12. He’s like, she’s comfortable in it. It’s big, but I get more longevity out of that size. And that’s, again, a parent decision of what’s going to fit them. But that’s how we’ve designed it so that way you can get that longevity out of it, and you can pass it down so you’re not having to pay this price every year. And I tell parents when they look at the price, break it down by how many years. Let’s calculate how many years can you get out of it. Because that’s what we want. We want you to get as many out as you can.
Ramsey Russell: I’m sure my wife bought some hunt clothes. I just don’t remember, but I remember being in charge of that. And so I’d go buy Van Sporting Goods and time to buy this or buy that and, you know, hold up a jacket. I didn’t know sizes. I just, holding up, yeah, that ought to fit.
Camille Kent: Yep.
Ramsey Russell: So in you all’s business, who is it? Is it dad or mom or both? How’s that working out with you all?
Camille Kent: That’s the tricky part for us because mom knows the size, but dad knows the gear. And so a lot of times, the dad will come, and it’ll just be them, and then they’ll go get the mom. If the dad has the kid with them and we can put it on the little one, then the dad’s okay. But it’s kind of a mutual decision if both mom and dad are there for us. Just with the way the sizing is and getting it on them. That’s been our experience.
Ramsey Russell: When mom go to hunting shows with the kids, and I go to some of the same events, you all do those consumer events. And a lot of the moms don’t hunt, but they’re a part of the family. It’s a family thing. But I tell you what, if there’s something for children, boom, Anita’s gone. She’s going right into it. I may be over there looking at duck calls or something. If there’s anything to do with a child, boom, Anita’s gone like a bird dog. Do you all say that, too?
Camille Kent: Oh, 100%. The moms with the, they’ll be strolling by, and they’re like, “Kids,” and they just wheel right in, and they pull the dad in. Because the dads are, they’re looking for themselves, and they’re just going. And it is so funny. And so then we walk up, and we’re like, “You need camo?” Like, “Dad, we’ve got it. Here it is.” So it’s a lot of fun.
Ramsey Russell: How’s the public reception been in the last couple of years?
Camille Kent: Honestly, really good. Parents come up, and dads are like, “This is so needed.” I guess a lot of the parents my dad’s age or gentleman hunters my dad’s age say, “I wish we would have had this when our kids were little.”
Ramsey Russell: Oh my gosh. Yeah. I would have saved a fortune. I’d have more shotguns for myself or them.
Camille Kent: There you go. The public reception really good. It’s just been getting our message out there and people hearing our love of hunting. We love this, and we’re here so that we can make one part of your hunting experience easier. If your kid is warm, dry, and comfortable, then you don’t have to worry about that. You can enjoy the experience and take that one worry off your plate.

Ramsey Russell: Is the price point different for kids, is what parents are willing and able to spend on their children who are going to outgrow it? Even if it’s flexible. Do you see a disparity in that? I mean, like if you all had a top-end name-brand price point, $500, would people spend that? Would a mom and daddy spend that on their kids?

Camille Kent: I don’t think on kids close we can see that.

Ramsey Russell: I can’t imagine. I couldn’t imagine.

Camille Kent: No. I mean, we’re competitive. We’ve priced out all of our competitors, and we’ve seen that true hunters, like people who are, like you and David, like you all are going every, they just come in, they’re like, great gear, let’s go. And then we see some people, we’ll talk with them about how you can use it for multiple seasons, and then they’re sold on it.

Ramsey Russell: Right.

Camille Kent: But I think parents do have a top because they’re going to outgrow it so fast.

Ramsey Russell: They’re going to outgrow it, buddy. They’re going to outgrow it. And some stuff, socks, underwear, long johns, that just goes in the hand-me-down pile. But coats, when you start getting into coats and ribs and things of that nature, if they’re going to truly be warm and dry, you’re going to pay a little money. And it hurts your feelings to have to go back and pay that money again and again and again.

Camille Kent: It does.

Ramsey Russell: Changing the subject, it’s like waders. So many wader brands, no matter whether we’re talking about children or adults, out there are for all means and purposes disposable. I would buy a brand name. I ain’t gonna say the names, but anybody listening to this probably knows what I’m talking about. You go buy a pair of waders, well, I buy one, and of course, they’re going to be leaking at the end of the season. Or I hang them up, and they weren’t leaking at the end of the season, but just sitting in my garage, perfectly hanging, nice and dry, out of the sunshine, they mysteriously start leaking the next year. But because I’ve got two boys that gotta be dry, I don’t have to buy one pair of waders, now I got to buy three pairs of waders. That is starting to get, it’s like, man, I wonder how much cheaper golf would be or fishing than this kind of stuff. Seriously, it’s unbelievable.

“The grow-with-you system is specifically developed because kids grow so fast. And we all know that as parents that you go out and you buy this expensive hunting clothes one year, and the next year, it doesn’t fit.”

Camille Kent: It is. It’s an expensive hobby. We joke about it all the time.

Ramsey Russell: But it doesn’t have to be, because you all have come up with this idea that, really and truly, I can get some seasons out of these clothing now.

Camille Kent: And that’s our goal. Parents do not believe me when I say if I see you at the show next year, I shouldn’t see you buying something.

Ramsey Russell: Unless you got another kid.

Camille Kent: Right. Unless, yes. But I tell, we’ve sized parents that have girls first, and then we see they have boys coming up behind them. And I’ll look at the dad and be like, maybe don’t get her the pink logo, because if you guys see these boys behind you, pass this down. Get her the green or the orange so the boys will be in it. We really want it to be passed down, and you get multiple uses out of it. That’s our heart in it. It’s an investment you’re making with the piece upfront, but what you get in the years beyond is worth it.

“And right on the webpage, we have videos showcasing exactly the grow-with-you concept so parents can see it themselves.”

Ramsey Russell: Run down your product line. I mean, I’ve walked by your booth. I’ve sat and talked to both of you all in your booth at times. But I’ve never, because I don’t have grandkids and my children are grown people now, I’ve never just done a deep dive into your product line. Walk me through your product. What you all have and how I could outfit my children coming to you all’s booth or going to you all’s webpage. What all do you sell?

David: Okay, so we’ll start with our heavyweight hunting jacket. It is the warmest jacket we could create. It’s waterproof on the outside, has a hood to it. Synthetic down filling, will keep you warm. My nephew hunted in it when it was 30 degrees, and he didn’t bat an eye. To go along with that, we have a heavyweight hunting pant. It has Sherpa fleece lining, has elastic waistband so it’s adjustable. You can adjust it even further down to make it super small. Then we have our medium-weight jacket, still the same waterproof shell. The pants are also the waterproof shell as well, because my son can trip over a pine needle and sit on something and he’s wet. You’re going back. So we then have our medium-weight jacket. It’s fleece-lined, a lighter strip of fleece lining. Not as heavy as our heavyweight pant. It does not have a hood. Still waterproof. Then we have a lighter weight pant, kind of a microfleece lining. Same build as the heavyweight pant. The only thing we changed was the lining. We have a quarter zip pullover. It’s got a mesh lining. You’re wearing that when it’s 70 degrees outside, mid-60s or whatnot. Then we have our shirts, long sleeve and short sleeve, in a performance feel, performance fit. The long sleeve shirts have the thumb holes, because if you’re putting your hands through the jackets, your sleeves are going to ride up. That just makes it super easy on the kids. This year we’re actually putting a hood on those long sleeve shirts. Kids nowadays love hoods on everything.

Ramsey Russell: Heck yeah.

David: So we’ve put the hood on our youth hunting long sleeve shirt. We have a V-neck cut for girls if they want that, for the long sleeve and short sleeve shirts. We have our toddler short sleeve and long sleeve. The toddler long sleeve does have the hood on it. We have our overalls. We did a 12-month to a 6-7, that’s going to be our largest size.

Ramsey Russell: Golly, wow.

David: Everybody loves those. And then we also have done a merino wool base layer. It’s a 200 weight, good medium-weight merino wool. I love my merino wool that I wear. Ramsey, I know you wear merino wool. I wanted to give the kids, if you’re in the Midwest or up North, you don’t need it too much in the South. But if it’s cold, put them in that merino wool. It’s going to wick any moisture on their body, keep them dry, and keep them warm. Then we have some athleisure stuff.

Camille Kent: We have just a couple pieces. Our goal was to dress them from field to fire pit. You come in from the hunt at the camp.

Ramsey Russell: Field to fire pit. I like it.

Camille Kent: Field to fire pit. For the girls, we have a legging sweatshirt set. Then we actually have this bomber jacket, it’s camo with pink and orange trim. We designed that so little girls can wear that in the deer stand. They feel something a little fashionable. And then we have a jogger set for the boys, but girls also like that jogger set. It’s camo and cream color. Then we have some crew neck cozy sweatshirts they can wear. That was our goal. You take off your hunting clothes, put on the casual wear, and just have fun at the hunting camp or at home or wherever.

Ramsey Russell: Even in the hunting world, even when we’re talking staying warm and dry in a duck blind or a deer stand, Camille, are little girls just by instinct born with this little fashionista consciousness that guys lack?

Camille Kent: My dad laughs because one year for Christmas, he got us these camo purses with feathers all around it. And that’s what my sister and I would bring into the deer stand and the duck blind. We had to have something fashionable to make us feel like we’re not like a boy going hunting. We’re set apart. We have our cute fashion accessory. It’s so funny, my nieces are the same way. They want that girly aspect, and that’s what we’ve tried to do.

Ramsey Russell: I guess they’re just born that way. Because I’m sitting here thinking, taking Parker to a deer stand wearing hand-me-down little boy clothes. She was fine until she got to be about four. And now she’s 23. I would not buy her anything. I’d buy her floor mat for her car before I bought her anything she has to wear. Because at that age, she is going to wear what she’s going to wear nothing else. Little boys are totally different. Forrest may not like that big old jacket because it matter with his gun mount, but otherwise, he wasn’t discerning. Warm and dry. Go grab a jacket. Go grab some long johns. Put on some warm-up pants. Whatever fit. Duncan was just like a mini me of sorts. You would have to tell him, son, you have got to put them clothes in the wash. You cannot wear underwear 32 days in a row. Those pants you’re wearing have got fish guts on them from when we went to Louisiana last month. It’s time to wash them.

Camille Kent: Oh, that’s our son.

David: Yep.

Camille Kent: Yeah, 100% that is our son. So I think it’s just little girls. I think it’s something in them.

Ramsey Russell: It’s something. I think it really is. And you all are cognizant of that and make stuff like that for them.

Camille Kent: Yeah, we really tried to. And that’s one of the things I said. As a woman hunter who has a daughter and nieces, I want to be very cognizant of the women and the little girls in the hunting realm.
Ramsey Russell: But you all’s family, I love that “from field to fire pit,” because that really defines, to me, your family. You all got a big family, and it’s granddad and dad and grandkids, and lots of them. And you all do go to hunting camps and get around and hunt a lot. Everybody. It’s a big, big family affair in your household, isn’t it?
Camille Kent: Yes, huge. We spend Thanksgiving at the hunting camp, and that’s, I mean, the kids just love it. They know that the Friday after Thanksgiving, that’s when duck season opens, and they are just so excited. They love it. It’s just, for us, it’s communal. It’s more than just, “Oh, we’re going to hunt.” It creates, it fosters a spirit of community amongst us.
Ramsey Russell: Well, some of the layers, David, that you all make, like those insulated pants, will it fit under a pair of waders? You all don’t make waders yet, but will it fit under waders?
David: Oh yeah, 100%. So, we have bootstraps on the ankle to go underneath their feet. So, if you’re sticking their foot down in the wader, it’s not going to ride all the way up on them. It’s going to stay there. And we also have Velcro at the bottom too, so you can put it where you want to, and it’s going to stay there.
Ramsey Russell: Fair warning to some of you dads that are going to start taking kids hunting, if you think anybody makes anything other than a scuba diving suit that’s going to keep your little boys completely wet, it ain’t happening. I’m going to tell you that right now. I can remember taking my boys to a pit blind in Mississippi. I’d heard there were some ducks on it. We were still trying to get a few first ducks and his first big duck, whatnot. I took the boys out of kindergarten, first grade, whatever age they were, and off we go in the middle of the night. Of course, they sleep on the ride over. We get to where we’re going, we’re racing shooting time, we’re getting to the pit blind, and I place them off in the pit blind. I drive right up to it on my four-wheeler, drop them off into it. “Don’t move,” I tell them. “Don’t move. Stay right there.” “Yes, sir. Yes, sir.” And I drive 100 yards away, and boom, I’m coming back as quick as I can. And above the wind, I hear splashing. I’m like, what? I’m wondering. And I get up to the blind, and Duncan is hanging on the pit blind at his waist. He’s shoulder-deep into the water, double windmilling like he’s doing backstroke. Double windmilling in the water. I can tell you all right now that that hunt lasted about an hour because all them clothes, all that, and his teeth were chattering, and we didn’t even think about going. That was all she wrote.
Camille Kent: I believe that.
Ramsey Russell: What are some of your new product lines? What are you all thinking about? Where do you go from here to keep developing what you all are doing? What are some of the ideas you all have?
Camille Kent: We have some questions with more people around toddler stuff.
Ramsey Russell: Toddlers. Where’s that? Toddlers.
Camille Kent: Toddlers are where it’s at right now.
Ramsey Russell: At what age is a toddler?
Camille Kent: Four has been the biggest age. We do have some three-year-olds entering, but kind of four- and five-year-olds are really, that’s a heavy market right now for us. We’re able to put our stuff down into three or four year old, but that is just where it’s at. So, we’re kind of looking to expand what we have for toddlers. And then ultimately, we’d love to go into summer. We want to dress your kid year-round for the outdoors. I grew up fishing out of Venice, Louisiana, going deep sea. So, if we could do something where we could get into that, and again, hunting will always be our passion. We’re not a fashion label. We are a hunting brand. If we go into anything outdoors, our goal is to make gear that kids want to wear outdoors. So, just looking for some more year-round product lines, I think too. But right now, it’s toddler hunting. That’s where we’re looking to grow.
Ramsey Russell: I think fishing would be a great next step. Whether fishing in Louisiana or fishing on stock tanks like David and I grew up fishing or something like that. I mean, that is something they could wear, a fishing shirt, especially these performance hoodies, something like that. That’s something they can wear anywhere all year long, going to school, going to stuff like that. They could wear this kind of stuff. Well, I’m excited for you all. I really, truly am excited for you all. I’ll go ahead and be the 10,000th person to say it, I sure wish you all would have been around when I was raising kids going hunting. I’d probably have a brand-new truck or something by now with all the stuff I bought back in the day. Thank you all very much for coming on. I really, really appreciate you all. Tell everybody, the last question I’ve got is, what outdoor events can you come to? What outdoor sporting events do you all go to? I know you go to Delta Waterfowl Expo, you mentioned NWTF. Where else can listeners find you all? And bring mama and bring the kids into the booth to try this stuff on and see how this grow-with-you concept you all got fits their lifestyle?
Camille Kent: So this year, we’re going to be at NWTF, which is next week. I believe. We’re going to be in Oklahoma City at the Delta Waterfowl this year, and then we’re going to do Ducks Unlimited in Memphis. Those will be the job. We are excited about that.
Ramsey Russell: I tell you what, that Delta Waterfowl Expo and DUX, they call it, that’s really the perfect time of year because both of those events are late July, early August, which is when we all need to be getting suited up, getting ready, getting our stuff in order, and getting outfitted for the upcoming duck season. It couldn’t fall at a better time. I mean, just a month later, hunting season’s here for September.
Camille Kent: Yes, it’s there. And you want to make sure you’re ready because the cold snaps can come in a second. You want to make sure you have that for your kids instead of running into the nearest superstore to buy it.
Ramsey Russell: Are you all doing a lot of online sales also?
Camille Kent: The online sales, not so much. A lot of it has been by getting into stores. So, we’re in stores all over the Southeast, and then this fall we’ll be in some up the East Coast. We’re going to be in one in Vermont.
Ramsey Russell: Can you name some of those store brands where people listening can find you?
Camille Kent: Absolutely. We’re in Tackle Shack in Troy, Alabama. We’re in Simmons in Bastrop.
Ramsey Russell: Oh yeah.
Camille Kent: Yes. Sports Center in Natchez. Bowie Outfitters in Baton Rouge. Lafayette Shooters in Lafayette. Southern Outfitters in Zachary. We’re in Phantom Outdoors in South Carolina, Moncks Corner. And then we’re going to be in one in Coleman, Alabama.
Ramsey Russell: I bet that’s Van’s. Van’s Outdoors, that’s got to be.
David: So yeah, I mean, if you are in a town that has a local sporting goods store that doesn’t have anything for kids, send them our way.
Camille Kent: Send them our way. We’re happy to connect. I tell all the store owners, I will drive to your store, fly to your store, show you our products in person. I’m really about connecting with people. I believe that if you hear our story and we can connect with you like that what we want to do. We just don’t want to be business. We want to be a connection and a friend.
Ramsey Russell: I’ve been told that the Deep South has a hunting culture, and we hunt all over the United States of America. But you do get into some areas that have got a lot of avid hunters that really don’t have a hunting culture. And a lot of the stores you mentioned, Vermont being the exception, you know, is in, I would describe as Southern. What do you think the holdup is for folks out in the Midwest or up North or out in the far West becoming aware? Is it just you all are a new company, hadn’t got that far yet? I mean, because, golly, man, all kids need good hunting clothes.
Camille Kent: I think that’s part of it. We just haven’t had the exposure out there. And because, you know, David, like he said, we’re both CPAs, and we’re still trying to navigate both. That’s where it’s just a constraint of time and trying to grow it here and then expand it. So, I think it’s just the exposure, and hopefully, we’ll get out there and get some exposure, because I think our product would lend itself really well to the cold and the wet of the Midwest and the Northeast.
Ramsey Russell: Absolutely. You all do have a webpage, bowandarrowoutdoors.com,
Camille Kent: And right on the webpage, we have videos showcasing exactly the grow-with-you concept so parents can see it themselves.
Ramsey Russell: Yep. Thank you all very much. I know soon enough we’ll see each other at a hunting camp or at a hunting show or something like that. Meanwhile, I’m gonna see your daddy. I’m gonna see Greg.
Camille Kent: That’s right.

“Greg, if you’re listening, that’s what I’m gonna hit you up for down in Mexico. I want my turn.”

Ramsey Russell: Coming up, and I’m gonna tell him. I’m gonna say, Greg, you know, Camille told me this story about you sitting down, unloading, and letting it be somebody else’s turn to shoot a duck. I’d like that turn this morning. Greg, if you’re listening, that’s what I’m gonna hit you up for down in Mexico. I want my turn.

David: Good luck.
Camille Kent: Good luck. Yeah.
Ramsey Russell: Exactly. Good luck. Wish me luck on that. Folks, thank you all for listening to this episode of Mojo Duck Season Somewhere Podcast, where you all been listening to my friends David and Camille Kent, Bow and Arrow Outdoors. They’ve got a grow-as-you-go concept in children’s clothing, especially you young guys that have got young kids from toddler clear on up through probably about 6th, 7th grade. Trust you me, you look back at what you’re going to spend on your kids over the years trying to keep up with their growing spurts, you’re going to be glad something like this has come down the pipeline. Check them out, Bow and Arrow Outdoors, grow-as-you-go clothing for your young hunter. See you next.