Last week, the Canadian government by-passed parliamentary procedures by implementing a 25 years-old, never-before-used provision to ban “black guns.” This week, a real bombshell exploded when it was learned that this “ordering council” creates a real gray area regarding the legality of 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns. Fake News? Can American duck hunters take their 12-gauge shotguns to Canada this fall?! In this special episode of Duck Season Somewhere, Tony Bernardo, Executive Director, Canadian Shooting Sports Association explains to Ramsey the implications of this ruling for Canadian and American duck hunters.
Banning of “Black Guns” in Canada?!
We’re presently defending our shooters against the order-in-council that the federal government has brought down.
Ramsey Russell: I’m your host, Ramsey Russell. Join me here to listen to those conversations. It started last Friday with a ban of fifteen thousand “black guns” in Canada. That made a lot of headway on social media. This week, a real bombshell exploded when Canadian Shooting Sports said that this affected 12 gauge and 10 gauge shotguns. The big question is: can you bring your shotgun to Canada this season? Some guys are saying it’s fake news. Other people are saying, “Wait a minute. If this can happen in Canada, it can happen again.” Today’s special guest is Tony Bernardo, executive director of Canadian Shooting Sports, who can shed some light on what the heck is going on with firearms in Canada, our neighbors to the North. Tony, how are you today?
Tony Bernardo: Well, I’m just fine, Ramsey. How are you?
Ramsey Russell: I’m good. First off, would you please introduce yourself? Let folks know who you are and where you work and what you do.
Who is Tony Bernardo?
I’m a hunter. I shoot waterfowl.
Tony Bernardo: Sure. I’m the executive director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian Institute for Legislative Action. We do political advocacy work in Canada and a whole bunch of other good things, too. That’s just one of the things we do. We’re presently defending our shooters against the order-in-council that the federal government has brought down. Now, a little bit about me. I’m a shooter. I’m a hunter. I shoot waterfowl. I have a couple of black Labrador retrievers. I’m a happy guy. Well, I’m a happy guy until the federal government starts messing with me.
Gun Laws in Canada versus the U.S.
We can have as many guns as we want. We can have as much ammunition as we want.
Ramsey Russell: No doubt. Well, look, if you’re a goose hunter and you’ve got a couple of black labs, I’ve come to the right place for information. I trust you already. Real quick, Tony— Gun laws are a little bit different in Canada than in the United States, good and bad. We have talked about this earlier. How would you compare gun laws in Canada versus the United States, to start with?
Tony Bernardo: Well, they’re both middle of the road. There are lots and lots of states that have much looser gun laws than Canada, but there are some that have tighter gun laws than Canada has. There are some things that we’re allowed to own that you guys aren’t allowed to own, and vice versa. But, by and large, they’re not really all that much different. The differences are largely semantic and more administrative than they are in terms of practical use. We can have as many guns as we want. We can have as much ammunition as we want. We’ve got a zillion places to shoot, hunt, and fish. We’re doing good.
Ramsey Russell: Speaking of hunting, I’ve always admired the fact that the Canadian government recognizes, or seems to recognize, sport hunting as a valuable tradition. A lot of the law, a lot of the legislation around hunting— When you get out into Western Canada, the way they administer leases and stuff favors the local kid that might want to come up into hunting. It seems to me that a lot of the laws have been written to favor the opportunity for young people to have places to hunt. Let’s get back on gun laws. For instance, handguns. I know that when I come across the border every year, I have to leave my handgun down South. Is that because handguns are prohibited up in Canada?
Tony Bernardo: Well, some handguns are prohibited in Canada. Those would be like the small ones. For some reason, the federal government, twenty-five years ago, decided to prohibit anything with a four and eight inch barrel or less, and anything that was .25 or .32 caliber. It was supposedly to stop Saturday night specials, but we never really had an issue with them anyway. It was all about optics and virtue signaling and all that kind of nonsense. But other than that, handguns are legal in Canada. You can’t carry very easily. Carry permits in Canada, while they exist, are almost impossible to get. However, we have lots of handguns. I have a huge collection myself, and I target shoot and recreate with them all the time. People are allowed to have them. Black rifles— We’ve had no problem with black rifles in the past. We started importing AR’s in 1964. From that date to now, we have had exactly one shooting with an AR-15. One. Thankfully, the person didn’t die. That is the only experience we’ve had with them, and the government decided that they should ban them because CNN keeps telling us all about the mass murders that are happening with them.
What is the Gun Licensing Process in Canada?
The license is issued, by the RCMP, for the acquisition and possession of firearms. It’s good for a five year period.
Ramsey Russell: Yeah. Liberal anti-gun narrative.
Tony Bernardo: Oh, yeah. Virtue signaling if nothing else, right?
Ramsey Russell: Yeah. I like that concept. Virtue signaling. That’s a new term for me. Just to give a little depth to this: here in America, when we go buy a gun—I go buy a new Benelli shotgun or a new handgun or whatever—I have to fill out a lot of paperwork, there at the counter, and get checked through a system real quick before they’ll let me leave the store with it. Is it similar in Canada?
Tony Bernardo: No. Not at all. In Canada, we have a firearms license. The license is issued, by the RCMP, for the acquisition and possession of firearms. It’s good for a five year period. You can get licenses for restricted and non-restricted. Restricted, here, would be handguns and stuff like that. You can get a non-restricted license. As a matter of fact, in America, you can get a firearms license in Canada. All you have to do is pass the exams. It’s mostly safety-oriented in terms of the exams. We don’t really have too much of an issue with it because gun safety is always a good thing. When we want to buy a non-restricted firearm like a shotgun, we walk into the store, show the man our license, give them the money, and walk out with our gun. That’s it.
Ramsey Russell: Wow. Well, if I were, as an American, to get that license, would that enable me to then drive across the border with my handgun?
Tony Bernardo: Eh, no. I don’t mean to be vague, but it’s complicated. You have to be going somewhere. The permits to transport handguns are quite a bit different than the permits to own them. If you were going to, say, shoot a match in Toronto; yes, you could have your permits to transport your firearms to the match in Toronto, but you couldn’t go the opposite direction.
Ramsey Russell: Yep. The places that I go in Canada, and have gone for twenty-something years, to duck and goose hunt, are like stepping back in time to Mayberry with Andy Griffith. Everybody’s friendly. Everybody’s nice. I’ve never felt like I needed to carry a handgun for personal protection. Here in Mississippi, we have concealed carry. I can carry a gun anywhere, anytime, except for federal places and different things. But, at the same time, if I want to go to McDonald’s, if I want to go to the movie theater, and I want to carry a firearm for safety— As long as it’s under my coat or in my back pocket—unseen, concealed—it’s perfectly legal. We’ve got a concealed carry rule here. As somebody who drives from Mississippi for thirty-something hours up to Western Alberta— At two o’clock in the morning at a truck stop on the side of an interstate, I kind of feel comfortable having something like that. There’s some crazies out there in the world. When I cross the border into Canada, I never feel like I need one, but it’s always been an issue because I’ve wanted one during those long drives to the border. That was just curious to me. I’ve always had to just stop, see somebody, and leave my gun with them until I get back across the border.
Tony Bernardo: I understand. Yeah, the reason concealed carry laws have never become popular in Canada is because, quite honestly, we don’t really need them.
Ramsey Russell: Yeah. Right.
Tony Bernardo: Crime is very, very small in Canada, especially violent crime. Most Canadians don’t feel a need for it, so they’ve never pushed for it. While we have the ability to get one, it’s really complicated, really involved. The permit is mostly illusory.
What Does the Canadian “Black Gun” Ban Include?
It can affect shotguns.
Ramsey Russell: Yep. Well, let’s get to the topic, because I know a lot of people are wondering. Last week, I became aware that fifteen thousand black guns had been banned, by hook or by crook, there in Canada. I looked through the list. I didn’t see Benelli shotguns. I didn’t see anything that would affect me. Because, hey, I love sexy black guns. They’re fun to shoot. They’re fun to hunt hogs with. But, at the same time, I don’t go to Canada to shoot ducks and geese with those guns. So, hey, not my problem. It didn’t affect me. But then, a couple of days ago, I became aware that your organization was saying that, “Hey, this does affect shotguns. It can affect shotguns.” What happened? What law did they use? How did this come about? Why do y’all feel that way now?
Tony Bernardo: Well, okay. First of all, the order-in-council that they brought down actually banned 105,000 of them, by name. Virtually all of them are what we would consider to be black guns. None of them have been much used in crime. I think that, in the total list, there’s three, or potentially four, crimes since we started keeping records of this. However, what they did was put in a couple of clauses at the bottom of the order-in-council. They banned any firearm with a bore diameter greater than 20 millimeters. They also banned any firearm capable of kinetic energy higher than 10,000 joules, which is about 7,500 foot-pounds. Now, the reason they did this stuff is that they were specifically trying to capture some inert grenade launchers that have come into Canada in the past. We’ve actually been importing them for many years. They’re a pipe, because they don’t have any grenades. The grenades are unavailable. The grenades are totally prohibited. Most of these things that we’re talking about haven’t had grenades made for them in thirty or forty years. So there’s zero issue with these. They’re simply pipes, but they get real nervous about it. So they put this 20 millimeter rule in. The problem is that the RCMP have confirmed they are following 20 millimeter bore guidelines—now, follow me through—and that the bore is measured at the widest section the projectile passes through with any removable items removed i.e., chokes, muzzle brakes, or other muzzle devices. Well, when you take the choke out of a 12 gauge shotgun, it’s bigger than 20 millimeters.
Ramsey Russell: Some of them are. It probably doesn’t affect all shotguns, does it? You think it affects all 12 gauges?
Tony Bernardo: No. It affects most 12 gauges.
Ramsey Russell: Most 12 gauges.
Tony Bernardo: Most 12 gauges. For example, we did some measurements. A Beretta 686 was 20.1. A Browning Maxus was 20.8. A Perazzi competition gun was 19.5, so they’re a hair under. You get the drift? Most of the guns— Particularly American-made guns, and I’ll tell you why in a second. They tend to be on the thicker side. Every one we tested was over. Every one. The reason they’re on the thicker side is because we have our steel shot regulations. Steel shot regulations in North America are so that the chokes have to be pretty substantial to take the beating that steel puts on them. A lot of people are using 3 inch magnums. Some use 3.5’s, and these barrels have got to be built. They’ve got big, substantial chokes. When you take the chokes out, the hole in the muzzle is pretty big.
Public Response to the Anti-Black Gun Legislation
They didn’t really have as huge a pushback as we would have liked to have seen until we broke the fact that most 10 and 12 gauge shotguns are included just by virtue of the 20 millimeter bore guidelines. Now, everything’s changed.
Ramsey Russell: Well, as compared to guns of yesteryear—back when all of us duck hunters were shooting lead—to balance that energy equation, they’ve increased the speed, which has increased the bore pressure. A lot of American manufacturers, a lot of contemporary shotguns, have bigger bore diameters, then, to accommodate those pressures, for safety. So that makes perfect sense. Well, tell me this. I’m sitting here thinking to myself, “Wait, last week, right in the middle of a pandemic, they’re coming out with—?” What law was used? Do you think it was COVID-related? How did they do this, and why did they do it at this time?
Tony Bernardo: Okay. There’s a combination of things. About twenty-five years ago, when we had our Firearms Act created—the one that gave us all these restrictions in the first place—one of the things that they put in it was a provision for order-in-council. Order-in-council is sort of like an executive order, but it’s way weaker. Way, way weaker. Usually, order-in-council has two purposes. One is a purpose that is inconsequential, and I equate that to, “We’re going to change the color of the paper from taupe to beige.” Okay. The other one is time expedience. Time expedience, i.e., “The Russians have just landed on Vancouver Island, and we have to mobilize the army right now.” Those are the two uses of order-in-council. Well, the Firearms Act added a third one. The government could ban firearms by order-in-council. This is what they’ve used. For the first time in twenty-five years, they used order-in-council because they can unilaterally make the decision and just ban them. Now, it’s regulatory in nature. Regulations have to be put into a document called The Canada Gazette, which is like your Federal Register. The Canada Gazette goes in front of the public, and the new regulation is up there for thirty days for public consultation before it becomes hardcore law. Well, we are under emergency provisions within the parliament, right now, because of COVID. We have a skeleton parliament where we have very small numbers of MPs discussing the country’s business, and they rotate all the time. They have a couple of meetings a week that are virtual, and they do them over a Skype-type platform called Zoom. Right now, the House of Commons is completely and totally crippled in its ability to make legislative decisions. This is the perfect time, if you’re going to put something through that’s unpopular, to do it. They took advantage of the COVID emergency to slam this thing through.
Ramsey Russell: Boy, they sure did, didn’t they?
Tony Bernardo: They sure did. See, COVID’s not the only thing up there that makes people sick.
Ramsey Russell: I’m asking you up before, during, and after kind of question. What was the public response to this anti-black gun legislation? What was the general Canadian public response to this legislation before and after y’all announced the implications regarding shotguns? Could you see a difference? What happened? Tell me what happened, after they did this, in Canada.
Tony Bernardo: Well, honestly, what happened when they first put it in, was most of the public being like, “Yeah, let’s get rid of those black guns.” Sadly, a huge number of hunters felt the same way. We call it the Fudd complex. The “I’m alright, Jack” response. “They’re not after my shotgun, so I’m okay. I don’t care if they take your assault rifles.” The general feeling with the public was happy. They want them gone. They don’t like them. The only people that want them to stay are the people who own them, of course. I’ll tell you, the media is complicit in this. The media has taken a page out of the Democrat party, and they are talking about assault-style weapons, military-style assault weapons, these things that have no definition in law at all. None. The media has adopted these and is pounding scary stories out, day after day after day, to the point where people don’t know what to believe. All they know is that military-style assault weapons, built to military specifications to kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time— Well, that’s got to be bad. When you put it that way—as much as it’s a lie—yeah, I guess it is bad. But it’s a lie. It’s a total lie. What we’re seeing with our public is that they’ve been brainwashed by the media. The media’s simply bought and paid for. That’s the way they are up here. They didn’t really have as huge a pushback as we would have liked to have seen until we broke the fact that most 10 and 12 gauge shotguns are included just by virtue of the 20 millimeter bore guidelines. Now, everything’s changed.
Ramsey Russell: Then what happened? Okay, so y’all made that announcement on Monday or Tuesday?
Tony Bernardo: Yesterday. Yesterday morning.
Ramsey Russell: Okay. We’re recording this on Wednesday, folks. Yesterday would have been Tuesday. I’m going to guess, Tony, that yesterday was a pretty busy day for you. Your phone probably blew up in all directions. Who all did you get phone calls from?
Tony Bernardo: It was insane. Yeah, it blew up in every direction. It blew up with hundreds of thousands of concerned 12 gauge owners phoning us and sending us emails. Our Facebook page lit up, our website lit up as hundreds of thousands of concerned people said, “Is this real?” Well, yeah, of course it’s real. Then we had a whole bunch of people saying, “Well, you guys are misleading the public. It’s not real.” Well, it most certainly is real. We’ve got people saying, “Oh, the Canadian government would never do that to us.” Okay. I bet you believed in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, too.
Ramsey Russell: Now, explain to me before I ask this question; Trudeau is your president, so who is Blair?
Tony Bernardo: Okay. Trudeau is our prime minister. We don’t have a president.
Ramsey Russell: Prime minister, I’m sorry.
Tony Bernardo: That’s okay. Bill Blair is Minister of Public Safety and Security.
Ramsey Russell: Okay. Because he issued a statement saying, “The truth matters. Shotguns are not affected,” and that they were going to contact your office. Have they contacted your office?
Tony Bernardo: No, they have not.
Ramsey Russell: Oh. Why am I not surprised?
Tony Bernardo: Because he’s lying.
Ramsey Russell: Yeah. Wow. Spin, baby, spin.
Tony Bernardo: I can tell when he’s lying because his lips are moving, right?
Ramsey Russell: Yeah. Spin, baby, spin. I’m just really not surprised. It’s all over the internet. Somebody sent me a screenshot of a post from Manitoba Wildlife Federation. They posted a comment of Blair’s that said, “Oh no, we don’t want to take your sporting guns. The truth matters, and we’re definitely going to contact Canadian Shooting Sports Association and make sure they understand.” But, apparently, he has not contacted your office.
Tony Bernardo: Of course they haven‘t contacted us. They’re not even responding to inquiries to the minister’s office, because we’re right. I don’t believe they intended to do this, Ramsey. I think they thought they were going to go after something else. It’s just another example of their complete incompetence on this file. They’ve been incompetent about it from day one, and they still are, because they never consult with the firearms industry or the associations thereof. They honestly don’t know what they’re talking about.
Ramsey Russell: Well, it’s like this. In the same way that I had never thought about owning a tiger until I watched Tiger King—”Holy cow, I could have owned a tiger”—it doesn’t really occur to me how fun that’d be to own a grenade launcher. I think there ought to be rules against it because there’s people in society who I don’t want to have a grenade launcher. But, man, I think I’d have fun with a grenade launcher. So, they wrote these laws. We don’t want grenade launchers. We don’t want some of these war-type, military-grade weapons out on the streets. Then again, they started articulating parameters for this that do affect everybody’s shotgun. The 12 gauges, a lot of American guns. So you’ve got to say to yourself, as a gun owner or as a duck hunter or a goose hunter, “Wait a minute. This does affect me. This can affect me. They’ve cracked open the door, even if it is by accident, that can affect me.” Because we all know how laws and politicians work, man. Once that door is cracked open, they’re going to drive a school bus through it. That’s why y’all reacted. So what do you think? Well, first off, let me say this. What now? What was the purpose of y’all making everybody notice, of letting them know that this door’s been cracked open, that there’s potential here for shotguns to be included in future legislation? What now, though? Will it affect future legislation? What needs to change, or happen, at this point so it doesn’t affect my 12 gauge?
What Changes Need to be Made to the New Firearm Laws?
Two words: “except shotguns.”
Tony Bernardo: They need to withdraw their order-in-council and, hopefully, leave it withdrawn, but I doubt that that’s going to happen. They need to withdraw the thing. They need to change that to reflect this. It would be very simple to say, “Any firearm with a barrel diameter more than 20 millimeters is prohibited, except shotguns.” That’s not hard.
Ramsey Russell: Two words.
Tony Bernardo: Yeah. Two words: “except shotguns.” There you go. Done. But, so far, they haven’t done that, because it’s humiliating to have to withdraw their legislation. What we have to do is continue on the path we’re doing—and we will be continuing with this—to the point where we humiliate them worse than they would humiliate themselves if they withdrew their legislation because, my God, they’d actually have to admit they made a mistake.
Ramsey Russell: What events might transpire to get them to do that? Did the public start reaching out to their representatives?
Tony Bernardo: Oh, yeah. It’s already making some mainstream media in Canada. Although the remarks by the minister that, “This isn’t the case”— Well, it’s amazing how many people, even inside our community, believe this man. He has a reputation that goes back many, many years as a bald-faced liar.
Ramsey Russell: Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Politicians lie?
Tony Bernardo: We have a thing called “parliamentary immunity” in Canada that makes it so that you can’t prosecute a politician because they lie. Seriously.
Ramsey Russell: I think that may be worldwide. I don’t know.
Tony Bernardo: I just said that you can tell he’s lying because his lips are moving, you know?
Ramsey Russell: Yeah.
Tony Bernardo: This man has a long reputation. He was the police chief of Toronto, at one point in time, and was dismissed from that because there was a G-20 meeting in Toronto, and they had a peaceful protest. A peaceful protest. They did a thing called “kettling” where the police corral everybody, and anyone who resisted being corralled was pepper sprayed. This was done on his orders, and he was dismissed from the job as chief for putting out that order. It’s just reprehensible conduct. Of course, now that he can’t get any other job, he’s become a politician.
Ramsey Russell: I’ll be. Wow. Well, it’s a crazy situation. Social media is great because it’s a great way to distribute information very, very quickly. Y’all’s news—y’all’s allegations, depending on how you want to word it—that this affects 12 gauges blew up my feed. I was getting text messages, emails, telephone calls. We’ve worked for a long, long time—we started, essentially—up in Canada, and this has got grave consequences for many hard-working guides and outfitters I know and work with. Many, many, many of the hunters I know from the United States who make an annual pilgrimage up to the headwaters of the migration— The question burning on everybody’s minds right now is this: “Is this going to affect my shotguns or not?” Here’s a question: “Can I bring my shotgun from the US into Canada right now, today?” Is this a misunderstanding? Tell me, Tony, how does this affect a US hunter?
Tony Bernardo: We don’t know. Right now, as it stands, as best as we can analyze this, it prohibits 12 gauge shotguns and 10 gauge shotguns with removable chokes. That’s as best as we can get right now. By the way, it also prohibits 17th century blunderbusses, too.
Ramsey Russell: Wow. I don’t have one of those, but I think that would be kind of a cool gun to own, too.
Tony Bernardo: It would be. Sure. The point of the matter is that this is a bad piece of legislation. Badly thought out. We’re trying to make the Canadian government blink, and I think we’ll be successful, okay? But until they actually do, we’re where we are.
Ramsey Russell: Talk about bad legislation. This whole subject is reminding me of Australia. We do a lot of hunts down in Australia. Australian duck hunters are just some of the best people on God’s earth. They think a lot of Canadians. I’ve had several of them come to Canada, or want to come to Canada, to hunt waterfowl. But back in 1996, there was a public shooting, knee-jerk reaction politics, and they banned semi-autos. Anything and everything semi-automatic is banned. Now, when we hunt down there, we use 12 gauge over/unders. But this snafu of legislation, the proposed legislation, doesn’t affect semi-autos. It means single shots, over/unders, semi-automatics, everything. 12 gauges, which is the go-to gauge for hunting waterfowl. This is far-reaching. The effects on the economy, or on waterfowl hunting, would be monumental.
Tony Bernardo: You and I had spoken earlier, and I had mentioned to you that, usually, the firearms with fixed chokes are not an issue. Then, last night, I got an email from one of my folks out in the field, and he had a Benelli side-by-side 12 gauge, an old one with fixed chokes. He had his micrometer stuck in the barrel, and it showed 20.1.
Ramsey Russell: Wow.
Tony Bernardo: There you go. That was with a fixed choke.
How Will Canada’s Gun Ban Affect American & Canadian Hunters?
Go to the Canadian Shooting Sports Association website. When we have a success here, we will announce it on the website.
Ramsey Russell: Okay, guys, anybody listening: as the law stands right now—no matter what you read on Facebook or anywhere else—if we show up, Tony, to the border—if I fly into Saskatoon, if I drive across the border at Portal— As it stands right now, there’s a chance that the customs officer or whoever is going to break out a board and measure my bore without a choke in it.
Tony Bernardo: It’s possible.
Ramsey Russell: Wow.
Tony Bernardo: Okay. Now, keep in touch, though, because we’re thinking this is a very fluid situation. We’ll likely change in the next few days. Okay? As they say, I don’t think it was the intention of the Canadian government to ban 12 and 10 gauge shotguns. I don’t think that was on the cards. Now, they have to fix that problem. Simply having the Minister of Public Safety go on Facebook and Twitter and say that that’s not the case— Well, you know how much politicians and Twitter’s go together, right?
Ramsey Russell: Yeah.
Tony Bernardo: You’ve had a bit of experience with that?
Ramsey Russell: A little bit. It’s the only thing I believe, coming out of the D.C., anymore. I don’t believe anything on television, but if he tweets it, I believe it. But go ahead.
Tony Bernardo: There you go. You see the essence of the problem. I think this will change around. I think it will change around. They’ve done some goofy things on this legislation, and we’re still trying to figure out all the ramifications of what they’ve done. Every hour brings a new revelation. By last night, on Bill Blair’s Twitter account, there were over three hundred photographs of people with calipers and micrometers showing a measurement of more than 20 millimeters. Over three hundred photographs. Well, his Twitter feed goes down for two hours this morning. When it comes back, all the photographs are gone.
Ramsey Russell: What? Oh, I can’t imagine.
Tony Bernardo: You can’t imagine. No, no. A politician laundering stuff? No, you can’t imagine that.
Ramsey Russell: All right. We’re going to try to get this episode aired just as quickly as possible to make people aware of it, but where can we go get the truth? How can we American hunters that love to go to Canada, we American hunters that are thinking about going to Canada, stay abreast of changing developments and know the facts? Where can we go? Lead us down the way, Tony, of how we can keep ourselves informed with all the BS floating around on social media? Where can we go? What can we do to make ourselves firmly aware of how this is going to affect us coming to Canada to hunt?
Tony Bernardo: Go to the Canadian Shooting Sports Association website. When we have a success here, we will announce it on the website. You’ll be able to see that. For you, Ramsey, please keep in touch with me. When we get something that we can talk about, we certainly will. In the meantime, make sure your members know a gun is a gun is a gun. They are all the same. You can’t take one set of gun owners and toss them under the bus and expect the other ones to survive it.
Ramsey Russell: We’re all on the same boat here.
Tony Bernardo: We’re all in it together. If you don’t defend them all, you’ll lose them all.
Ramsey Russell: That’s a very good message, Tony. Here in America, in an election year, we’re no different than y’all. I’ve always said we’re one election away from a major life change. It’s a good reinforcement message to our brothers in the North there, in Canada, having to deal with this problem. It’s a good take-home message to pull that election lever and get the right folks in office. Tony, thank you very much for your time. I appreciate you elucidating and making clear this very hot topic right now. Like I told you last night, I will, hopefully, be traveling through your neck of the woods there. I’d love to have a cup of coffee or eat lunch with you one day, and maybe go share a duck blind. Folks, thank y’all for listening to this episode of Duck Season Somewhere. Please rate and share and always reach out to me. Let me know your feedback. Tony, we will be following up. Folks, hit me up @RamseyRussellGetDucks if you’ve got any more questions for Tony. Otherwise, y’all go check out the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, and they’ll get some good information to you. Thanks.